Collisions: Subatomic vs Non-Subatomic Particles

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the differences in mass loss during collisions between subatomic particles and non-subatomic particles, examining the implications of energy transformation in both contexts. It touches on theoretical aspects of particle physics and classical mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that when subatomic particles collide at high speeds, they form a larger particle with a mass less than the sum of the original particles, implying a transformation of mass into energy as described by E=mc².
  • Another participant counters that in macroscopic collisions, there is no significant mass loss, attributing energy loss to heat and sound rather than mass-energy conversion.
  • A different viewpoint proposes that there should be a mass loss in macroscopic collisions due to the kinetic energy of the moving objects, suggesting that some mass-energy is converted into other forms such as sound or light.
  • A participant acknowledges the contributions of others, indicating a collaborative aspect to the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether mass loss occurs in non-subatomic collisions, with no consensus reached on the mechanisms or implications of such collisions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of mass-energy conversion and the conditions under which it may or may not occur, particularly in the context of chemical or atomic reactions during collisions.

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This might be stupid but I was thinking, when two subatomic particles collide at very high speeds, they form a bigger particle whose mass is less than the sum of the smaller ones, and the mass lost transforms into energy as in Einstein´s equation E=mc2.
What happens with non subatomic particles, say two balls colliding or whatever. Is there a mass loss that turns into energy. THIS SOUNDS VERY OFF LOL, because the amount of energy released with just a little bit of mass is huge. But then, what is wrong here? Why doesn't this happen, or if it does, why isn't it percieved?
 
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There isn't a mass loss, unless you count something like little pieces chipping off. The energy lost through macroscopic collisions is primarily in the forms of heat and sound. You would get mass loss only if the materials were such that a chemical or atomic reaction occurred when they hit.
 
There should be a mass loss. The approaching balls are heavier than they would be if they were at rest (KE=(m-m0)c2), and after the collision (assuming some energy is lost to sound etc) there will be slightly less total kinetic energy (because some of the mass-energy has been transferred into air-vibrations, perhaps some even radiated away as a flash of light, etc).

Similarly, 2xH2O should not weigh the same as 2xH2 + O2.
 
Thanks danger and cesiumfrog, you really helped me!
 

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