Combinations and their application to probability

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The discussion revolves around combinatorics and its application to probability, specifically in the context of sandwich ingredient selection and ball selection from a bag. The original poster presents two distinct probability problems involving combinations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate probabilities based on combinations of ingredients and balls, raising questions about the reasoning behind specific values and calculations.
  • Some participants question the assumptions made regarding combinations that include or exclude certain ingredients or colors.
  • There is a discussion about the correct interpretation of the sample space and how to account for different combinations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's calculations, providing insights and prompting further exploration of the problems. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculation of combinations, but there is no explicit consensus on the final answers.

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The original poster is working within the constraints of high school level combinatorics and probability, and there is an emphasis on understanding the reasoning behind the calculations rather than simply arriving at the correct answers.

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I am doing some work on high school (Australia) level combinatorics. So I've been taught nCr, nPr, and of course factorial (!). Now I need to apply the combinatorics to probability.

There a two questions which I am stuck on.

Bill is making a sandwich. He may choose any combination of the following: lettuce, tomato, carrot, cheese, cucumber, beetroot, onion, ham. Find the probability that:
a. the sandwich contains ham
b. the sandwich contains three ingredients
c. the sandwich contains at least three ingredients

I calcualted that the sample space of all combinations was 2^8-1 since there has to be at least one ingredient for there to be a samwhich.

For part (a):
Pr(samwhich contains ham)=\frac {n(Ham)}{2^8-1}, where n(ham) is the number of combinations including ham.

The answer indicates that n(ham) = 2^7, but I don't know why it is 2^7.

Part (b) is:
\frac {^8 C_3}{2^8-1}

Part (c) I worked out to be (which is right according to the book):
\frac {\sum_{n=3}^8 ^8 C_n}{2^8-1}

Another problem question for me is:
A bag contains five white, six red and seven blue balls. If three balls are selected at
random, without replacement, find the probability they are:
(a) all red
(b) all different colours

From that information I caculated that n(\epsilon) = ^18 P_3. From that I caculated for (a) that the probaility of all red is:

Pr(all red) = \frac {5*4*3}{^18 P_3} = \frac {60}{4896} = \frac {5}{408}

But the answer in the book is 5/204, so I'm off by a factor of 2, and I don't know why.

I calcualted part be to be:

Pr(all different colors) = \frac {7}{136}

But the book says the answer is:

Pr(all different colors) = \frac {35}{136}
 
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Well, ask yourself:
How many combinations do NOT include ham?
 
arildno said:
Well, ask yourself:
How many combinations do NOT include ham?

Ah it would be:

\sum_{n=1}^7 ^7 C_n = 2^7

Thanks for that.

I would also be extremely appreciative if anyone could help me on the second question in my original post.
 
Beam me down said:
\sum_{n=1}^7 ^7 C_n = 2^7
Actually, not quite for those sandwiches that do not include ham--remember that you're not counting sandwiches with 0 ingredients. That is correct for those that do include ham.

In your second question, the numerator should not be 5 * 4 * 3. First you choose from among 6 red marbles, then you choose from among 5 red marbles, then you choose from among 4 red marbles.

In the other part of it, you forgot to consider permutations. You've given only the probability of choosing White, Red, Blue. But also Red, White, Blue, or Blue, Red, White, or the other permutations of the three colors should be counted.
 

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