Combinations: exam question distribution

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The discussion focuses on calculating the distribution of exam questions among three students, specifically addressing the challenge of ensuring two easy questions are not assigned together. Initially, the unrestricted distribution is calculated using the stars and bars method, leading to confusion about the low total. The realization that the questions are distinct prompts a shift to using Stirling numbers for a more accurate solution. The proposed method involves assigning the two easy questions first and then distributing the remaining questions among the students. The final approach suggests a combinatorial formula that accounts for the distinct nature of the questions and the independent distribution among students.
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Homework Statement
Eight different exam questions are to be distributed among three
students, such that each student receives at least one question.
However, two of the questions are very easy and must be given to
different students. In how many ways can this be done?
Relevant Equations
stars and bars?
I think the idea is to first count the number of ways the questions are passed out without restrictions and then subtract the number of ways the two easy questions are together.

Call each student ##s_1,s_2,s_3##. We know their total number of questions is 8, so ##s_1+s_2+s_3 = 8 : s_1,s_2,s_3 > 0##, of course seeking only integer solutions. Thus we seek ##s_1+s_2+s_3 = 5## (each student gets at least one). I think stars and bars implies the unrestricted case is ##7C2##. Then if we lump two questions together (easy two) we have ##6C2##, thus the total of unrestricted is ##7C2-6C2 = 6##. This feels exceedingly low. What am I doing wrong?

I appreciate your help.

Edit: just dawned on me this technique assumes all questions are identical. They are obviously not. So how to solve? My solution key states we use Stirling numbers. I guess I'll read about those.
 
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I would start by assigning the two easy questions. How many ways to do that?
One student has none yet. Choose r to give to that student, r=1..6. How many ways?
Dish out the remaining 6-r. How many ways?
 
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haruspex said:
I would start by assigning the two easy questions. How many ways to do that?
One student has none yet. Choose r to give to that student, r=1..6. How many ways?
Dish out the remaining 6-r. How many ways?
In order as you asked, ##3C2 \cdot 6Cr \cdot (6-r)C2##, though ##(6-r)C2## has to be wrong...maybe it's ##(6-r+2-1)! = (7-r)!##? So is the answer something like ##\sum_{r=1}^6 3C2 \cdot 6Cr \cdot (7-r)!##
 
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joshmccraney said:
In order as you asked, ##^3C_2 ##,
The two questions are different.
joshmccraney said:
##^{(6-r)}C_2##,
No, it's easier than that. Each of the 6-r can go to either of two students independently.
 
I tried to combine those 2 formulas but it didn't work. I tried using another case where there are 2 red balls and 2 blue balls only so when combining the formula I got ##\frac{(4-1)!}{2!2!}=\frac{3}{2}## which does not make sense. Is there any formula to calculate cyclic permutation of identical objects or I have to do it by listing all the possibilities? Thanks

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