Combinatorics: Finding recurrence relation

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The discussion revolves around finding a recurrence relation for the number of ways to arrange three types of flags on an n-foot flagpole, considering specific height constraints and a condition that prohibits three 1-foot flags in a row.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore various methods to establish recurrence relations, with some suggesting different ways to count arrangements based on the position of flags. Questions arise regarding the validity of certain counting methods and the interpretation of the constraints.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing different approaches and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the construction of recurrence relations, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct formulation.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of the condition against three consecutive 1-foot flags and the initial values provided for the recurrence relation. There appears to be confusion regarding the counting of arrangements that meet the specified criteria.

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Find the number of ways to arrange three types of flags on an n foot flag pole: red flags (1 foot high), white flags (1 foot high), blue flags (3 feet high)

Find a recurrence relation for this number with one condition that there cannot be three 1 foot flags in a row (regardless of their color).

R= Red, W=White, B=Blue

a_1 = 2, R, W
a_2 = 4, RW, WR, WW, RR
a_3 = 1, B
a_4 = 4, B(a_1), W(a_3), R(a_3)
a_5 = 12, B(a_2), W(a_4), R(a_4)
a_6 = 21, B(a_3), W(a_5-2(a_3)), R(a_5-2(a_3))
a_7 = 30, B(a_4), W(a_6-2(a_4)), R(a_6-2(a_4))
a_8 = 24, B(a_5), W(a_7-2(a_5)), R(a_7-2(a_5))
a_9 = -number,B(a_6), W(a_8-2(a_6)), R(a_8-2(a_6))
Since there is a negative number, I do not think this is right...could anyone point out what I did wrong?
 
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R(a_5-2(a_3))

doesn't look like the right way to count the number of flags that are six high and have a red on top. For starters, you are claiming there are ten such flags, and really you can only do (I think)

R
R/W
B
R/W

or
R
B
R/W
R/W

of which there are only eight such flags. Instead of trying to subtract away flags that you originally constructed that are actually illegal, just think about if you start with a R on top, what are the only possible chains you can have before you reach a B? Once you know that you have placed B everything underneath it is counted using your recurrence relation.
 
I approach this sort of problem by creating several related recurrence terms. You can have the total number of height n, the number of height n with at most one 1-foot flag on top, and the number that have a 3-foot flag on top. Then you can construct three recurrence relations that connect them.
 
Let a_n be the arrangement of flags at n feet. Just figure it out...is it a_n = a_(n-3)+2*a_(n-4)+4*a_(n-5). The initial value is a_2= 1, a_2 = 4, a_3 = 1, a_4 = 4,a_5 = 12
 
Askhwhelp said:
Let a_n be the arrangement of flags at n feet. Just figure it out...is it a_n = a_(n-3)+2*a_(n-4)+4*a_(n-5). The initial value is a_2= 1, a_2 = 4, a_3 = 1, a_4 = 4,a_5 = 12
I get the same recurrence relation.
 

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