Combining Equations for Lab report

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The original poster is working on a lab report involving the relationships between frequency, centripetal force, and radius. They have two sets of data tables related to these variables and are considering how to combine the equations derived from their graphs.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the nature of the graphs obtained from the data, noting that the relationship between frequency and centripetal force may be curved, while the relationship between frequency and radius appears to be inversely proportional. Questions arise about the specific forms of the equations and how to effectively combine them.

Discussion Status

Some participants suggest that creating a third graph could be beneficial for visualizing the combined relationships. There is exploration of different forms of the equations, with suggestions to graph frequency against squared frequency and radius to identify linear relationships. Participants are actively engaging with the data and proposing methods to verify their assumptions.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of potential experimental error and the need for error bars in the graphs, indicating that measurement accuracy may be a factor in the analysis. The original poster is also navigating the constraints of their lab report requirements.

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Homework Statement


I'm doing a lab report for frequency vs centripetal force and frequency vs radius. I have two tables and I have found the equations for both the graphs. When I combine the equations, should I make another table and how would it look like?


Homework Equations


f = c0.5
f = r-1

The Attempt at a Solution



I have two tables:

Table 1: Centripetal Force and Frequency for a constant radius of 60.7 cm and constant rotations of 10

Centripetal Force (0.1 N) Time Required (0.1 s) Average time (s) Period (for 1 rotation) (s) Frequency (Hz)
Trial 1 Trial 2 Trial 3
0.5 9.17 9.47 9.56 9.40 0.940 1.06
1.0 6.03 6.16 5.89 6.03 0.603 1.66
1.5 5.68 5.69 5.63 5.67 0.567 1.76
2.0 4.86 4.90 4.82 4.86 0.486 2.06
2.5 4.55 4.59 4.53 4.56 0.456 2.19
3.0 4.35 4.21 4.36 4.31 0.431 2.32

Table 2: Radius and Frequency for a constant centripetal Force of 1 N and constant rotations of 10
Radius (0.5 cm) Time Required
(0.1 s) Average time (s) Period (for 1 rotation) (s) Frequency (Hz)
Trial 1 Trial 2 Trial 3
52.2 4.84 4.97 4.66 4.82 0.482 2.07
55.7 5.56 5.68 5.68 5.64 0.564 1.77
61.1 6.01 5.96 5.75 5.91 0.591 1.69
64.9 5.95 6.09 6.01 6.02 0.602 1.66
69.1 6.20 6.30 6.15 6.22 0.622 1.61
75.4 6.87 6.77 6.50 6.71 0.671 1.49
 
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Sounds like an interesting experiment.
I expect the graph of Fc vs f would be curved. How did you find its equation and what equation did you get?
Same for the f vs r graph.
Combining the two equations is kind of tricky; I think a 3rd graph would be quite helpful and the equations you got for the first two would suggest what to put on the axes of the 3rd graph.
 
For frequency and centripetal force, I got a graph similar to y = ax^b and for frequency and radius, I got a graph that is similar to y = 1/x

When I put them together, I got a linear graph y = x
 
For frequency and centripetal force, I got a graph similar to y = ax^b
Okay, so is that Fc = af^b or f = aFc^b? You need it a little more specifically. Take a wild guess and try Fc = a*f².
(some people would take a peek at the list of equations for circular motion and notice that Fc = 4π²mrf² so Fc = constant*f² is it!)
You have to check that by graphing Fc vs f² and it should turn out to be a straight line to within experimental error. Maybe you are supposed to estimate your error in measurement and put an error bar or two on the graph. If you get a straight line, then you know
Fc is proportional to f².

for frequency and radius, I got a graph that is similar to y = 1/x
You mean f = b/r, right? You could try graphing f vs 1/r and see if you get a straight line.
I suspect you will have to try f² vs 1/r or f vs 1/r² to get that straight line.

If all that works out you will know f² is proportional to Fc and also that f² is proportional to 1/r. That suggests f² is proportional to Fc/r, and that you graph Fc vs r*f². A straight line there gives you the formula for how Fc varies with r and f.
 

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