How Do You Calculate Error with a Single Measurement in Physics Lab Reports?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of calculating error analysis in physics lab reports, particularly when only a single measurement is available. Participants explore the implications of random error in the context of centripetal motion experiments involving angular frequency, force, mass, and radius.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to calculate mean and standard deviation without multiple measurements of the same mass, questioning whether they approached the problem incorrectly.
  • Another participant suggests checking the documentation of the measuring device for reported measurement errors as an alternative to calculating standard deviation.
  • A participant clarifies that the standard deviation of the measurement is considered the "random error," and mentions that error propagation can be used for computed values based on measured values.
  • One participant acknowledges understanding that standard deviation represents random error but seeks clarification on how to calculate it with only a single measurement, providing examples of mass measurements with uncertainties.
  • A later reply states that it is not possible to calculate standard deviation from a single measurement, asserting that it is undefined in that context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on how to handle error analysis with a single measurement, with some suggesting alternative methods while others assert limitations in calculating standard deviation.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the absence of multiple measurements, which complicates the calculation of statistical parameters such as mean and standard deviation. The discussion also highlights the reliance on manufacturer documentation for measurement errors.

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I'm currently in first year engineering and I seem to be struggling with Physics, which is not unlikely uncommon. A simple problem I've come across is not doing correct error analysis when writing up lab reports. In my current lab, which is justifying the relationship of angular frequency, force, mass and radius in centripetal motion, a portion of the questions ask to analyze different sources of random error; one of which being random error related to the mass. Since I didn't take multiple measurements of the same mass, how would I go about finding a mean and standard deviation? It doesn't make any sense to me to compare masses of two completely different apparatus setups, so am I looking at the problem wrong or did I just make an error by not taking multiple measurements (which the lab specifically says to do when it's required)?

Would really appreciate the help and can definitely go more in depth or even supply some lab data if it's required.

Thanks

Edit: Disregard the picture, too long of a story to explain :^)
 
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Derik said:
Since I didn't take multiple measurements of the same mass, how would I go about finding a mean and standard deviation?
Hi Derik, welcome to PF!

The only other way I know is to look into the documentation of the measuring device and hope that the manufacturer tested and reported the device's measurement error.
 
Dale said:
Hi Derik, welcome to PF!

The only other way I know is to look into the documentation of the measuring device and hope that the manufacturer tested and reported the device's measurement error.
I do in fact have measurement errors, but how would I derive the random error using standard deviation?
 
Derik said:
I do in fact have measurement errors, but how would I derive the random error using standard deviation?
The standard deviation of the measurement is the "random error" of the measurement.

If you have to perform any computations using the measured value then you can estimate the standard deviation of the computed value through the propagation of errors.
 
Dale said:
The standard deviation of the measurement is the "random error" of the measurement.

If you have to perform any computations using the measured value then you can estimate the standard deviation of the computed value through the propagation of errors.
I mis-worded that. I do understand that the standard deviation of the measurement is the random error, but I'm wondering how I'm actually supposed to calculate it (as easy at that sounds). Let's say for example that my mass measurements have an uncertainty of +/- 0.05g and the measurement is arbitrarily 100g, a second measurement using a different apparatus setup is 200g +/- 0.05g. I know the equations used to find the standard mean, standard deviation and the deviation from mean, but I don't know how to do it with a single measurement. For example, I calculated the standard deviation from mean for my angular frequency; the difference is that I had 3 measurements for the same test.
 
Derik said:
I don't know how to do it with a single measurement.
You can't. The standard deviation for a single measurement is undefined.
 

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