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The discussion revolves around the composition of functions, specifically F(x) = √x and G(x) = 2/(x-4), and the determination of the domain for the composition g(f(x)). Participants are exploring the implications of combining the domains of the individual functions and how they affect the overall domain of the composed function.

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  • Participants are attempting to find the domain of the composition g(f(x)) and are questioning the reasoning behind the exclusion of certain values, particularly why x=4 is not considered in the domain despite making g(x) undefined. There is also discussion about the implications of the domains of both F(x) and G(x) on the final composition.

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The discussion is active, with participants clarifying their understanding of how to combine the domains of the functions involved. Some guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between the input and output of the functions, but there is still some uncertainty regarding the treatment of specific values in the domain.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of function composition and domain restrictions, particularly focusing on the values that lead to undefined expressions in the context of the functions being discussed.

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Homework Statement



F(x)=√x

G(x)= 2/(x-4)

Find g(f(x)) and its domain

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The Attempt at a Solution



I am having trouble finding the domain for this composition. I know that g(f(x))= 2/(√x)-4

I believe that for the domain you combine the domain of the input (f(x)) and the output (g(f(x)). This would then be x > 0 (for f(x)) and x≠16 in g(f(x)). The answer key that I have says that the answer is x>0, x≠4

Where am I going wrong? Why does it disregard 16?

Thanks!
 
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ThomasMagnus said:

Homework Statement



F(x)=√x

G(x)= 2/(x-4)

Find g(f(x)) and it's domain

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



I am having trouble finding the domain for this composition. I know that g(f(x))= 2/(√x)-4

I believe that for the domain you combine the domain of the input (f(x)) and the output (g(f(x)). This would then be x > 0 (for f(x)) and x≠16 in g(f(x)). The answer key that I have says that the answer is x>0, x≠4

Where am I going wrong? Why does it disregard 16?

Thanks!

You aren't going wrong. The answer key is wrong. Though x could be zero, right?
 
Dick said:
You aren't going wrong. The answer key is wrong. Though x could be zero, right?

Woops, I should have put x≥0.

So for these types of problems, the domain of the combined function will be the domain of the input and the composed function? Why is the other ignored? i.e why can x be 4 if it will make g divide by 0?
 
ThomasMagnus said:
Woops, I should have put x≥0.

So for these types of problems, the domain of the combined function will be the domain of the input and the composed function? Why is the other ignored? i.e why can x be 4 if it will make g divide by 0?

You didn't ignore the 4. That's why you said 16 isn't in the domain, right? Yes, it's the domain of g(f(x)) you want.
 
Dick said:
You didn't ignore the 4. That's why you said 16 isn't in the domain, right? Yes, it's the domain of g(f(x)) you want.

But why can x be 4 if it makes g(x) undefined?. Don't I have to also say x≠4?
 
ThomasMagnus said:
But why can x be 4 if it makes g(x) undefined?. Don't I have to also say x≠4?
You're working with g(f(x)).

Therefore, if g(4) is undefined, then g(f(x)) is undefined when f(x) = 4.

For what value of x is f(x) = 4 ?
 
ThomasMagnus said:
But why can x be 4 if it makes g(x) undefined?. Don't I have to also say x≠4?

g(f(4))=g(2)=(-1). It's not undefined at all when x=4. It's undefined at x=16, when f(16)=4 and g(4) is undefined. Or it's undefined when x<0 when f(x) is undefined. As you said to begin with.
 
SammyS said:
You're working with g(f(x)).

Therefore, if g(4) is undefined, then g(f(x)) is undefined when f(x) = 4.

For what value of x is f(x) = 4 ?

Aha 16. So, with compositions of functions you're paying attention to the input (in this case f(x)) and the final compositions (g(f(x)). So the domain of the whole thing is pretty much the input and composed function domains combined?

Thanks for all the help! :)
 

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