Coming up with counterexamples in Real Analysis

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of finding counterexamples in Real Analysis, particularly in relation to questions about integration and function spaces. Participants explore various propositions and counterexamples related to bounded variation, intersections of Lebesgue spaces, and the implications of these properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants discuss whether a function of bounded variation on an interval is necessarily Riemann integrable, with one participant asserting it is false and providing a counterexample involving a function that is 1 on rationals and 0 otherwise.
  • Another participant suggests that the bounded variation condition may only apply to finite partitions of the interval, raising questions about the total variation of the counterexample function.
  • Regarding the intersection of Lebesgue spaces, one participant proposes that if a function is in both L^1 and L^∞, it should also be in L^p for every p ≥ 1, while expressing uncertainty about the converse being true.
  • A participant presents a proof involving Hölder's inequality to support a proposition about the inclusion of intersections of Lebesgue spaces under certain conditions.
  • Another participant attempts to derive a contradiction related to the essential supremum and the behavior of integrals, questioning the existence of a finite upper bound for certain functions.
  • One participant references a book by Gelbaum and Olmstead as a source for potential counterexamples.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of bounded variation for Riemann integrability and the properties of function spaces, indicating that multiple competing views remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of bounded variation and the conditions under which the propositions hold. The discussion also highlights the dependence on specific properties of functions in relation to Lebesgue integration.

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Coming up with counterexamples is hard. So to prove or not to prove, that depends if there exists a counterexample.

Question 1 has been ANSWERED!: If f has a bounded variation on [a,b], then is it true that f is of Riemann integration on [a,b]?


Question 2 has been ANSWERED!: Is it true that L^1(\mathbb{R}) \cap L^3(\mathbb{R}) \subseteq L^2(\mathbb{R})?


Question 3. Is it true that
\cap_{1 \leq p<\infty} \: L^{p}(\mathbb{R},m) \subseteq L^{\infty}(\mathbb{R},m) where m denotes Lebesgue measure on \mathbb{R}.




Thank you.
 
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Question 2:

Proposition. If 0<p<q<r \le \infty, then L^p\cap L^r \subset L^q and \|f\|_q\le \|f\|_p^\lambda \|f\|_r^{1-\lambda}, where \lambda \in (0,1) is defined by

\frac{1}{q}=\frac{\lambda}{p}+\frac{1-\lambda}{r}.

Proof. Use Hölder's inequality.
 
Thanks! I think I have seen your proposition before in some book!
 
For Question 1 I believe its false.

Eg. f(x)=1 if x is rational 0 o.w.
 
Hi ansrivas, you might be right, as long as the bounded variation is for a finite partition of the interval [a,b]. That is,

\sum_{i=1,..., N} |f(x_i)-f(x_i-1)| \leq M for some M.

It's because for your function f, the total variation of f is infinite, isn't it?
 
As for my own answer to Question 3, I think if f is in L^1 \cap L^\infty, then f\in L^p for every p\geq 1.

So the converse of Problem 3 is certainly true! But I don't think this is true...
 
Does this work?

By definition, ess \sup f(x) = \inf \{M : m\{x: f(x)> M\}=0 \}.

So suppose such finite M does not exist. Then m\{x: f(x)> n\} >0 for all n.

Then by Tchevbychev, \int_{\mathbb{R}} |f|^p \geq n m(E) >0 where E = \{x: f(x)> n \}.

So as n \rightarrow \infty, \int_{\mathbb{R}}|f|^p \rightarrow \infty?

Contradiction?
 
all possible counterexamples are in the book of gelbaum and olmstead.
 

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