Commutation Relation: Hi Parity Operator?

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The discussion centers on the commutation relation between the translation operator and the parity operator in quantum mechanics. Participants explore the mathematical implications and provide examples to illustrate their points, focusing on theoretical aspects of operator behavior.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the translation operator commutes with the parity operator.
  • Another participant defines the parity operator and suggests starting from its action on position eigenvectors to explore the commutation relation.
  • Some participants propose that finding a single example where the operators do not commute would suffice to demonstrate their non-commutativity.
  • A later reply reiterates the idea of finding an example and suggests investigating the exact relation between the two operators when they are applied in sequence.
  • Another participant provides a detailed mathematical approach, showing the actions of the translation and parity operators on the coordinate basis, concluding that they do not commute based on the derived expressions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the translation and parity operators do not commute, but the discussion includes varying approaches and examples to illustrate this point, indicating that multiple perspectives and methods are being explored.

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The discussion involves assumptions about the definitions and properties of the operators, and the mathematical steps taken to derive the relationships are not fully resolved, leaving some aspects open to interpretation.

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hi, do the translation operator commute with parity operator?
 
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Parity operator ##\hat\pi## is defined such that when acting on a position eigenvector ##|x\rangle## to be ##\hat\pi|x\rangle = |-x\rangle##. Start from
$$\hat x \hat\pi = \int dx' \ \hat x \hat\pi |x'\rangle \langle x'|$$
and with the help of the eigenvalue relation ##\hat x|x'\rangle = x'|x'\rangle##.
 
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It's enough to find a single example of a translation ##T\psi (x) = \psi (x+\Delta x)## and a function ##\psi (x)## for which ##TP\psi (x)## and ##PT\psi (x)## don't have the same value at some point ##x##.
 
hilbert2 said:
It's enough to find a single example of a translation ##T\psi (x) = \psi (x+\Delta x)## and a function ##\psi (x)## for which ##TP\psi (x)## and ##PT\psi (x)## don't have the same value at some point ##x##.
I was thinking since it's easy to show that the two operators do not commute, why not push it a little further to know the exact relation between ##TP## and ##PT##.
 
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fatema said:
hi, do the translation operator commute with parity operator?
On coordinate basis [itex]|x \rangle[/itex], the action of translation operator [itex]T_{a} = e^{- i a p}[/itex] is given by [tex]T_{a} | x \rangle = | x + a \rangle \ .[/tex] And in the same basis, the parity operator is given by [tex]\pi = \int dy \ |-y \rangle \langle y | \ .[/tex] Now it is an easy exercise to show that [tex]T_{a} \ \pi = \int dy \ |y \rangle \langle - y + a | \ ,[/tex] [tex]\pi \ T_{a} = \int dy \ |y \rangle \langle - y - a |\ .[/tex] So, in general they do not commute. This becomes clear if you use the above two equations to evaluate the action on the wave function [tex]\left( T_{a} \ \pi \Psi \right) ( - x) = \Psi (x + a) \ ,[/tex] [tex]\left( \pi \ T_{a} \Psi \right) ( - x) = \Psi ( x - a) \ .[/tex]
 
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