Compare the ratio of two times t1/t2 in this vertical jump

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of time ratios in a vertical jump, specifically comparing the time spent above half the maximum height to the time taken to reach that height. The subject area includes kinematics and projectile motion.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the derivation of time ratios t1 and t2, questioning the validity of the negative time solution and its interpretation. There is discussion about the fairness of comparing times above and below half height.

Discussion Status

Some participants have confirmed the calculated ratio of times as 2(sqrt(2)+1) while others are questioning the completeness of the comparison between time spent above and below half height. The conversation is ongoing with no explicit consensus reached.

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Participants are considering the implications of measuring time forwards and backwards from the maximum height, as well as the definitions of the variables involved in the equations presented.

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Homework Statement
In the vertical jump, an athlete starts from a crouch and
jumps upward as high as possible. Even the best athletes spend little
more than 1.00 s in the air (their “hang time”). Treat the athlete as a
particle and let ymax be his maximum height above the floor. To explain
why he seems to hang in the air, calculate the ratio of the time he is
above ymax>2 to the time it takes him to go from the floor to that height.
Ignore air resistance.
Relevant Equations
y=(v0)t - 1/2g(t^2)
Here is my attempt. At ymax the velocity turn to zero so we get time t*=v0/g and ymax=1/2 (v0^2/g). At the height y max, since the velocity at this point is 0, i get another equation y= 1/2(v0^2/g)-(g/2)t^2, this equation could be considered as continuation of first equation. Set ymax/2=1/4 (v0^2/g)=1/2(v0^2/g)-(g/2)t^2, I get t=(v0)/(sqrt(2)g) or t =-(v0)/(sqrt(2)g). the negative solution can be thought that the athletes was in ymax/2 v0/(sqrt(2)g second before. so the total time he is above ymax/2 t1==(v0)/(sqrt(2)g)-(-(v0)/(sqrt(2)g))=2(v0)/(sqrt(2)g), and time it take him to ymax/2 is t2=v0/g-(v0)/(sqrt(2)g). So the t1/t2=2sqrt(2)+1. Is it legal to say that t =-(v0)/(sqrt(2)g) is the time before the free fall at ymax happens?
 
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Clockclocle said:
So the t1/t2=2sqrt(2)+1.
You seem to be taking the ratio of the time above half height to the time to reach half height. Is that fair? Also, I think you mean 2 (sqrt(2)+1).
Clockclocle said:
Is it legal to say that t =-(v0)/(sqrt(2)g) is the time before the free fall at ymax happens?
Your equation
Clockclocle said:
y= 1/2(v0^2/g)-(g/2)t^2
effectively defines t as a time measured, forwards or backwards, from the time at which max height is reached.
 
yes the answer is 2 (sqrt(2)+1). So is it true?
 
Clockclocle said:
yes the answer is 2 (sqrt(2)+1). So is it true?
Yes, but don't you need to compare the time above half height with all of the time below half height, not just half of it?
 

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