Comparing DC to AC: Is A Always Correct?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of inductors in DC and AC circuits, specifically focusing on the implications of changing from DC to AC and the effects on current and magnetic flux. Participants are examining the nature of back emf in inductors and the phase relationships between current and voltage.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Participants explore the differences in behavior between DC and AC circuits, questioning the correctness of answers based on the changing nature of current in AC. There are discussions about phase relationships and the implications of closing versus opening a switch in a circuit.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning assumptions about the behavior of inductors. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of back emf and phase lag, but there is no explicit consensus on all points raised.

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There is some confusion regarding the terminology of "closed" versus "opened" switches in the context of the problem statement, as well as the implications of current being zero at the moment of closing the circuit.

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Homework Statement
An inductor produces a back emf in a DC series RL circuit when a switch connecting the battery to the circuit is closed. we can explain this by,

A) Lenz's law
B) increasing magnetic flux within the coils of the inductor
C) increasing current in the coils of the inductor
D) all of the above
E) only (A) and (C) above.

The answer is D.
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Maxwell equations:
(See better interpretations at "Attempt at a Solution" section)
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If the question changes DC to AC, the correct answer would be just A right?
The reason why (B) and (C) are wrong is that the current keeps changing direction and doesn't remain constant throughout for the coil to store energy to eventually hit the maximum. Any other better explanations?
 
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It's true that the magnetic flux and current aren't monotonically increasing in an AC inductor, but they lag in phase and so continue to "oppose" the circuit
 
onatirec said:
It's true that the magnetic flux and current aren't monotonically increasing in an AC inductor, but they lag in phase and so continue to "oppose" the circuit
I thought the current lags the voltage by π/4 phase? I do agree that it oppose the circuit clockwise/counterclockwise interchangeably
 
hidemi said:
Homework Statement:: An inductor produces a back emf in a DC series RL circuit when a switch connecting the battery to the circuit is closed.
Closed? Did you mean to say "opened"?
 
berkeman said:
Closed? Did you mean to say "opened"?
The book says 'closed'
 
hidemi said:
The book says 'closed'
When the DC circuit is initially closed and current starts flowing - this makes sense.

I meant they (as in the inductors) lag in phase. You are right; it is the current that lags.
 
Well technically it produces a "back" emf to any change in current (meaning the emf tries to oppose the change). Notice that in an LR configuration the change in the current is proportional to the existing current...this makes "off" a more exiting event
 
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My point was that the problem statement is physically consistent and there's no reason to think the switch should be 'opened' instead of 'closed'

hutchphd said:
Notice that in an LR configuration the change in the current is proportional to the existing current
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I don't agree with this as written. For one, when the circuit goes from open -> closed, the existing current is 0A. How could the change be proportional to 0?
 
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You are correct and I was being sloppy.
 

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