Comparing Gas Stoichiometry Approaches: Which One is Correct?

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The discussion revolves around the comparison of two approaches to solving gas stoichiometry problems using the ideal gas law (PV=nRT). Participants explore the validity of different methods for calculating the number of moles of gas and the mass of helium, while also addressing unit consistency and dimensional analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes using the molar volume for SATP to calculate the volume of gas, resulting in a value of 1609.4L, and questions whether this approach is correct.
  • Another participant suggests using the original volume of 65L directly in the ideal gas equation, questioning which method is appropriate.
  • Concerns are raised about unit consistency, with one participant asserting that the first approach leads to an incorrect unit of L², implying a misunderstanding of dimensional analysis.
  • There is a query regarding the mass of helium calculated from the number of moles, specifically whether the result is in grams or kilograms, prompting a discussion about the units of molar mass.
  • Participants emphasize the importance of checking units to determine the correctness of the approaches and the final answers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of the two approaches to gas stoichiometry. There is no consensus on which method is correct, and discussions about unit consistency remain unresolved.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings of dimensional analysis and the need for clarity on the units used in calculations. The discussion highlights the importance of unit checks in gas law applications.

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Students and educators in chemistry or physics, particularly those studying gas laws and stoichiometry, may find this discussion relevant.

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So iv solved all these problems, id just like someone to take a look at them and see which approach is right.

The question is in the attachment.

first approach is i use molar volume for SATP which is 24.76L and multiply 65L with it
and i get 1609.4L then i use this in the universal gas formula(i think that's what its called)

PV=nRT

(100)(1609.4) = n(8.31)(298)

(100)(1609.4)/(8.31)(298) = n


second approach i use is where i just use the 65L of volume as is and put it in the equation, since they both are volumes, which one is the right way?

PV=nRT

(100)(65)=n(8.31)(298)
(100)(65)/(8.31)(298) = n

which approach is correct?
 

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Also another question here, in a 2nd attachment

v=7.5 L

t=25C or 298K

P=100Kpa

PV=nRT

(100)(7.5)=n(8.31)(298)

750/(8.31)(298) =n

750/2476.38 =nHe

0.302=nHe (helium)

mass = n X molar mass

=(0.302)(4)

=1.208

Is this in grams or Kg? the mass of helium?
 

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supernova1203 said:
first approach is i use molar volume for SATP which is 24.76L and multiply 65L with it and i get 1609.4L

No, you don't get 1609L, you get 1609L2 - whatever it means. Watch your units and you will see when your approach doesn't make sense.
 
supernova1203 said:
Is this in grams or Kg? the mass of helium?

Again, if you were watching your units answer would be obvious.

What are units of molar mass?
 
Borek said:
Again, if you were watching your units answer would be obvious.

What are units of molar mass?

g/mol?
 
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Borek said:
No, you don't get 1609L, you get 1609L2 - whatever it means. Watch your units and you will see when your approach doesn't make sense.

so the first approach is what will get the correct solution?
 
supernova1203 said:
g/mol?

You havew to guess, you can't check?

supernova1203 said:
so the first approach is what will get the correct solution?

Only if the units make sense. Check if they do. What units should the final answer be in? What units your final answer has?
 
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i did check but i wasnt sure, hence the question mark.
 

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