Comparing Graphs & Algebra: x/2 > 1+(4/x

  • Thread starter Thread starter 3.141592654
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Algebra Graphs
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves comparing two functions, f(x) = x/2 and g(x) = 1 + (4/x), to determine the values of x for which f(x) is greater than g(x). The discussion includes both graphical and algebraic approaches to analyze the inequality.

Discussion Character

  • Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss graphing the functions to identify intervals where the inequality holds. Some suggest confirming findings through algebraic manipulation of the inequality. Others raise concerns about the implications of multiplying by a variable, particularly regarding the sign of x, and the need to consider different cases based on the sign of x.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the problem, with participants providing insights into the algebraic steps and questioning assumptions about the continuity of the functions involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the necessity of considering different cases for positive and negative values of x.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of stating that x cannot equal zero, as this affects the validity of the inequality. The discussion also highlights the need to analyze the behavior of the functions at critical points and intervals.

3.141592654
Messages
85
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



(A) Graph the functions f(x)=x/2 and g(x)=1+(4/x) together to indentify the values of x for which x/2>1+(4/x).

(B) Confirm your findings in part (A) using algebra.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



(A) I graphed the equations and found the answer to be (-2,0)U(4,infinity). The answer is given in the book and confirms this.

(B) x/2 > 1+(4/x),

= x > 2+(8/x)

= (x^2) > 2x+8

= (x^2)-2x-8 > 0

= (x-4)(x+2) > 0

So doesn't this imply x/2 > 1+(4/x) on the interval (-infinity, -2)U(4, infinity)? Thanks for clearing this up!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
You'll have to be very careful here.

When you have something along the lines of:

x > y

What happens if you multiply both sides by a negative number? This is the same problem you have currently, except with your problem, you will have to consider two cases, one case when x is positive, and another when x is negative, (since you're multiplying through by x) and you will have to deal with the inequality for each case.
 
Last edited:
Ok, first you need to state here x > 2+(8/x) that x[itex]\neq[/itex]0
Then you need to solve (x-4)(x+2) > 0

What should be (x-4) and (x+2) so that the whole equation is > 0 i.e positive?
 
Дьявол, it's true he should also state that [tex]x \neq 0[/tex], but like I said above, in order to get the full answer, he will have to consider two separate cases for when both [tex]x < 0[/tex] and [tex]x > 0[/tex].
 
The simplest way to solve an inequality like x/2> 1+ 4/x is to look first at the equality x/2= 1+ 4/x. Now, multiplying on both sides by 2x, [itex]x^2= 2x+ 8[/itex] or [itex]x^2- 2x- 8= (x+ 2)(x- 4)= 0[/itex] which has roots -2 and 4.

The point is that the only way "f(x)> g(x)" can change to "f(x)< g(x)" is where "f(x)= g(x)" or at points where one or the other of the functions is not continuous. Here the functions are equal at -2 and 4 and 1+ 4/x is not continuous at x= 0.

If x= -4< -2, x/2= -2 and 1+ 4/x= 1- 1= 0. Yes, -2< 0 so the inequality is satisfied for all x< -2. If x= -1, which is between -2 and 0, x/2= -1/2 and 1+ 4/x= -3. -1/2 is NOT less than -3 so the inequality is NOT satisfied for all x between -2 and 0. You check for x between 0 and 4, and for x> 4.
 
Yes, or...

if multiplying by x is a problem because if x is negative, it would switch the inequality sign around. Well, how about multiplying by x2? That value is positive no matter if x is positive or negative so there is no need to switch the sign.

[tex]\frac{x}{2}>1+\frac{4}{x}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{x^3}{2}>\frac{x^2(x+4)}{x}[/tex]

[tex]x^3>2x^2+8x[/tex]

[tex]x^3-2x^2-8x>0[/tex]

This is a cubic but can be reduced into a quadratic if x is factored out. All you need to do is sketch the cubic and find the intervals that are above the x-axis (greater than 0). You should get the same answer :smile:
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
8
Views
5K
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 24 ·
Replies
24
Views
4K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
3K
Replies
10
Views
3K
Replies
4
Views
4K