Comparing Pit Depths for Dropped Objects

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The problem involves comparing the depths of two pits into which objects are dropped from rest, with one object taking 5 seconds to hit the ground and the other taking 10 seconds. The context is kinematics, specifically the motion of freely falling objects under gravity.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the use of formulas to calculate the depth of the pits, with some attempting to derive relationships based on time and acceleration due to gravity. Questions arise regarding the validity of certain formulas and the reasoning behind the calculations.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the correct formulas to use for calculating the depths of the pits. Some participants suggest using the formula for distance under constant acceleration, while others question the initial attempts and clarify the relationships between distance, time, and acceleration.

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Participants are working under the assumption of no air resistance and are trying to reconcile their understanding of kinematic equations with the specific scenario presented in the problem.

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Homework Statement


An object is dropped from rest into a pit and accelerates due to gravity at roughly 10m/s^2. It hits the ground in 5 seconds. A rock is then dropped from rest into a second pit and hits the ground in ten seconds.How much deeper is the second pit. no air resistance.

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I am pretty sure the answer is 4 times.
but I am not 100%. is it sort of like braking from one velocity to stop then a second(half as much) to stop and finding the distance it takes to stop.because that's four times as long.
 
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Hey pg! :smile:

Let's get back to formulas.
Do you know a relevant formula from which you could calculate the depth of the pit?
 
what if i do a=d/t/t
so it would be 10m/s^2=d/5s/5s
250m=d

same formula
10m/s^2=d/10s/10s
1000m=d
 
Hmm, "a=d/t/t" is not a correct formula.

You either should have [itex]a = {d^2x \over dt^2}[/itex],
or what would suit your problem:
[tex]d = {1 \over 2}g t^2[/tex]
 
but a=d/t/t is eaual to a=v/t
 
physicsgurl12 said:
but a=d/t/t is eaual to a=v/t

Not quite.
v=d/t gives you the "average" speed during the entire drop.
The actual speed starts at zero and increases to some maximum.
Assuming the acceleration is constant, the corresponding acceleration is actually a=2 d/t/t.

In other words, you cannot just use "a=v/t" or "v=d/t".
You should use: "d=d0 + v0 t + (1/2)a t^2" (assuming acceleration a is constant).
And: "v=v0 + a t" (again assuming a is constant).
 
I like Serena said:
You either should have [itex]a = {d^2x \over dt^2}[/itex],
or what would suit your problem:
[tex]d = {1 \over 2}g t^2[/tex]

okay well i used this and still got four.
 
Yep! :smile:

(Sorry to drag this out, but now you did it with the proper formula. :wink:)
 
haha its okay as long as i understand.i want to do well on my test.:)
 

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