Complete screening of an Electric field?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of electric field screening, particularly in the context of solids such as metals. Participants explore the mechanisms behind screening, its conditions, and its implications in various scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the term "screening," suggesting it involves the reduction of the electric field and questioning its causes, including the role of plasmons.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of electric field shielding, referencing the Faraday Cage as a potential analogy.
  • A participant describes a scenario involving a hollow inside a metal block, asserting that this configuration leads to complete screening for static electric fields.
  • There is a request for clarification on the meaning of "screening" and a reference to the Wikipedia pages consulted for context.
  • One participant distinguishes between plasmons and the screening effect related to free electron gas in metals, explaining how an externally applied electric field influences electron movement to minimize energy and create a counteracting electron density.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of screening, with some focusing on its application in metals and others referencing broader concepts like electric field shielding. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific definitions and mechanisms of screening.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the definitions of screening and its relationship to other concepts such as plasmons and electric field shielding. There are also uncertainties regarding the conditions under which screening occurs and the completeness of the screening effect.

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Hi,
I have difficulty understanding the term screening.
Screening is reducing of the electric field, as far as I have understood until now.

1. Why does screening occurs? Is it due to collective interaction of plasmons?
2. If we have a slow electric field, will screening occur or will it not occur? Same question for fields that varies a lot.
3. If the electric field is reduced as much as possible, does that means that screening = 0 and that it is complete?

Thank you.
 
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RoseSunflower said:
Hi,
I have difficulty understanding the term screening.
Screening is reducing of the electric field, as far as I have understood until now.

1. Why does screening occurs? Is it due to collective interaction of plasmons?
2. If we have a slow electric field, will screening occur or will it not occur? Same question for fields that varies a lot.
3. If the electric field is reduced as much as possible, does that means that screening = 0 and that it is complete?

Thank you.
Welcome to the PF. :smile:

Do you mean Electric field shielding, like with a Faraday Cage? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage
 
Thank you :)
No, actually I am looking at electric field screening for solids (metals). I read Wikipedias page about it but I still don't get it.
 
If you make a hollow inside a metal block and sit inside it, you are shielded from any electric fields outside. For a static electric filed, the screening is complete.
 
Chandra Prayaga said:
If you make a hollow inside a metal block and sit inside it, you are shielded from any electric fields outside. For a static electric filed, the screening is complete.
Could you answer my questions as in 1, 2 and 3? I don't understand where the hollow comes from. And when the screening is complete.
 
OK. We may be talking of totally different things. Could you please desctibe what you mean by the word "screening?". Perhaps if you could give us the reference to the Wikipedia pages you have read, we could get the context.
 
Chandra Prayaga said:
OK. We may be talking of totally different things. Could you please desctibe what you mean by the word "screening?". Perhaps if you could give us the reference to the Wikipedia pages you have read, we could get the context.
I am looking at electric field screening for solids (metals). Thomas-Fermi screening. I don't know if its the same or two different things though...
 
Thanks. This is a topic on which I have no views.
 
No, plasmons are something else, this deals primarily with, e.g., the free electron gas in a metal. An externally applied electric field causes electrons to move around in such a way as to minimize the energy in the bulk. The configuration of electron density is such that the externally applied field becomes negated on the other side of this layer. An analogous thing happens to a charge that is introduced into the solid. A change of density in a spherical layer forms to counteract it. These are the screening effect that you are referring to.
 
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