Complete to orthonormal basis question

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The discussion revolves around the process of completing a set of vectors into an orthonormal basis in R^4. The original poster presents two vectors, v1 and v2, which they claim are orthonormal, and seeks guidance on how to achieve an orthonormal basis including additional vectors v3 and v4.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the application of the Gram-Schmidt process to achieve orthogonality among the vectors. Questions arise regarding the definitions of orthogonal and orthonormal vectors, as well as the steps necessary to normalize the vectors once orthogonality is established.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and processes involved in creating an orthonormal basis. Some participants have provided guidance on using the Gram-Schmidt process, while others question the correctness of the initial claims about the orthogonality of the vectors presented.

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Participants are navigating the definitions of orthogonality and orthonormality, with some uncertainty about the independence and orthogonality of the vectors involved. There is mention of various versions of the Gram-Schmidt process, indicating a need for clarity on the specific approach to be taken.

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i got these vectors which are othronormal
v1 (1/2,-1/2,1/2,-1/2)
v2 (-1/2,1/2,1/2,-1/2)

i need to compete them into orthonormal basis
i did row reduction on them
and added these independent vectors to the group
v3(1,0,0,0)
v4(0,1,0,0)

now all four vectors are independent (orthogonal)
how to make them orthonormal??
 
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Use the Gram-Schmidt orthogonalization process- that's what it's for. Since you want the orthonormal basis to include v1 and v2, start in the middle of the process- You already have v1 and v2, so find a new vector, based on v3 that is orthogonal to both v1 and v2 and normalize it. Then find a fourth vector, using the Gram-Schmidt process on v4 that is orthogonal to those three and normalize it.
Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gram–Schmidt_process
 
did i create correctly an orthogonal basis R^4 ??

is is correct to say that in order to make them to orthonormal basis
i need to divide each each coordinate of a give vector
by the normal of this specific vector

??
 
transgalactic said:
i got these vectors which are othronormal
v1 (1/2,-1/2,1/2,-1/2)
v2 (-1/2,1/2,1/2,-1/2)

i need to compete them into orthonormal basis
i did row reduction on them
and added these independent vectors to the group
v3(1,0,0,0)
v4(0,1,0,0)

now all four vectors are independent (orthogonal)
how to make them orthonormal??

These vectors might be linearly independent (I haven't checked), but they are definitely not orthogonal. Do you know what it means for two vectors to be orthogonal?

So no, you don't have an orthogonal set. Halls has told you what you need to do to get an orthogonal set. Once you have the orthogonal set, just divide each vector by its magnitude to get unit vectors.
 
orthogonal means that the inner product of two vectors equal 0
v1 and v2 are orthogonal to each other
-1/4-1/4+1/4+1/4=0

and so is v2 to v3
so you are correct
but if i will do the gram shmidet process then they are going to be orthogonal to each other.
to make them to orthonormal basis
i need to divide each each coordinate of a give vector
by the normal of this specific vector

??
(i heard that there are many versions to the gram shmidt formula)
which one makes them only orthogonal

which one makes them only orthonormal??
 
Both Mark44 and I have answered that: One you have found two new vectors v2 and v3 so that all four vectors are orthogonal to one another, divide each by its length to "normalize" them.
 

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