Orthogonality and Orthonormality: Take 2

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The discussion centers on determining the properties of a set of vectors in ℂ^3, specifically whether the set is orthogonal, orthonormal, or forms an orthonormal basis. The original poster presents a set of three vectors and explores their relationships through dot products and inner products.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to establish the orthogonality and orthonormality of the vector set using definitions and properties of inner products. They also question their understanding of the implications of these properties.
  • Some participants provide feedback on the reasoning, suggesting considerations regarding the use of complex conjugates in inner products and the relationship of norms.
  • Others discuss the implications of spanning the space and the sufficiency of the provided set for forming a basis in ℂ^3.

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The discussion appears to be productive, with participants offering affirmations and additional insights into the original poster's reasoning. There is an exploration of the mathematical principles involved, and while there is no explicit consensus, the dialogue suggests a shared understanding of the concepts being discussed.

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Participants note the importance of definitions and theorems related to orthogonality and orthonormality, particularly in the context of complex vectors. The original poster's focus on a single set of vectors is acknowledged, with implications for the broader understanding of vector spaces.

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Homework Statement



Which of the following sets of vectors in ℂ^3 is an orthogonal set? Which is an orthonormal set? Which is an orthonormal basis?

\begin{pmatrix}<br /> 1/\sqrt{2}\\<br /> 0\\<br /> 1/\sqrt{2}<br /> \end{pmatrix},<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> -1/\sqrt{2}\\<br /> 0\\<br /> 1/\sqrt{2}<br /> \end{pmatrix},<br /> \begin{pmatrix}<br /> 0\\<br /> (1+i)/\sqrt{2}\\<br /> 0<br /> \end{pmatrix}

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Question 1: [/B] If I can conclude that the set is not orthogonal, then I can automatically conclude that the set is not orthonormal.
My answer: YES.

Question 2:
If I can conclude that the set is orthogonal, but not orthonormal, then I can conclude that the set is not an orthonormal basis.
My Answer: YES

I want to get these two understandings out of the way first. These are by definition, is this correct?Next, My work for this particular set:

If we let the first vector = v, second vecotr = w, third vector = z. By simple dot product algebra
v*w=0
v*z=0
w*z = 0

So we conclude that this set is orthogonal.

Now, we check for orthonormality by taking each vector and inner product it with itself. The interesting note here is that when you take the inner produce of z and itself you must use the complex conjugate of z and z itself. so <z*|z> which equals 1, instead of <z|z> which equals -i.

Here, in using that special element of the inner product we conclude that all 3 vectors inner producted with themselves is indeed 1 and so we see orthonormality.

Now, for orthonormal basis, we conclude that is IS an orthonormal basis considering there is a theorem that states that any orthonormal set of N vectors in V is an orthonormal basis for V. Since this set has 3 vectors and it is in ℂ ^ 3 we conclude that this is an orthonormal basis as well.
Is my analysis spot on? I feel like I am starting to finally get the hang of it.
 
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I'd say this is spot on.

You nicely illustrated the philosophy behind your reasoning, invoked the right theorems.
One thing I would add regarding using the complex conjugate is that you need this to define a well-behaved norm. (i.e. recall the definitions you used and argue how to satisfy this for a complex vector)
And perhaps how this norm relates to cartesian norms as opposed to for example ##||z||_1 = \sum_{i=1}^3 |z_i|## (Taxicab or Manhattan norm).
 
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Thank you kindly for the look over and the words of further advice.
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Since you only provide ONE set of vectors, I assume your question is only about it. ie is it orthogonal, orthonormal and would it form a basis for C3. Since it spans the space (that is, every vector in C3 can be expressed in terms of it) it is all 3. (I actually am trusting you to have done the math right, looks right to me by inspection).
 
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Indeed, I do not want to bore physics forums with more sets, I wanted to analyze this one as an example of my understanding.

Thank you ogg for your check over as well.
 

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