Complex dielectric constant implies absorption?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the complex dielectric constant and the absorption of electromagnetic (EM) radiation. Participants explore the mathematical and physical implications of the imaginary part of the dielectric constant, particularly in the context of energy loss in a dielectric medium.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the imaginary part of the dielectric constant corresponds to energy loss in the medium, seeking a mathematical explanation.
  • Another participant suggests that the imaginary part of the dielectric function is proportional to conductivity, leading to non-zero current and energy loss due to the work done on electrons.
  • A participant proposes examining the expression for energy lost over time to clarify the relationship between the imaginary part of the dielectric constant and energy absorption.
  • There is a discussion about whether a negative imaginary part of the dielectric constant would imply energy transfer from the medium to the wave, with some participants affirming that it should be positive in stable materials.
  • One participant recalls that a complex index of refraction leads to exponentially decaying solutions in the wave equation, while also noting the possibility of exponentially growing solutions under certain conditions, such as in unstable media or lasers.
  • Another participant mentions that the imaginary part of the dielectric constant in condensed matter physics is typically positive, relating it to the structure factor and dissipation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the implications of the imaginary part of the dielectric constant, with some proposing that it should always be positive in stable materials. There is no consensus on the implications of negative values or the nature of solutions to the wave equation.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference specific textbooks and sections for further clarification, indicating that the discussion may depend on interpretations of these resources. There is also mention of unresolved mathematical steps regarding energy loss and wave behavior in different media.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and researchers in physics, particularly those studying electromagnetism, solid-state physics, and materials science.

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Hi everyone,

My very first post after simply using physicsforums as a (very) handy FAQ resource.

Okay, so my question is probably pretty simple, but I've been unable to find anything on here already.

How does a complex dielectric constant imply the absorption of EM radiation? I understand that the frequency dependence of the dielectric constant can be expressed as a complex function, but can't seem to understand mathematically how the imaginary part of the function corresponds to a loss of energy (wave) to the medium (dielectric)... implying absorption.

Three resources I've used seem to make the mathematical and physical arguments pertaining to my question too quickly for me to understand, so any help is greatly appreciated!

Cheers,

Adam.
 
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adamjford said:
Hi everyone,

My very first post after simply using physicsforums as a (very) handy FAQ resource.

Okay, so my question is probably pretty simple, but I've been unable to find anything on here already.

How does a complex dielectric constant imply the absorption of EM radiation? I understand that the frequency dependence of the dielectric constant can be expressed as a complex function, but can't seem to understand mathematically how the imaginary part of the function corresponds to a loss of energy (wave) to the medium (dielectric)... implying absorption.

Three resources I've used seem to make the mathematical and physical arguments pertaining to my question too quickly for me to understand, so any help is greatly appreciated!

Cheers,

Adam.

One way to think of it is that the imaginary part of the dielectric function is proportional to the conductivity so that when there is an imaginary part to the dielectric function there is a non-zero current in the bulk. This means that is macroscopic motion of electrons (j~nev) and hence the field does work on them (W~Fd~eEvdt) and loses energy.

Probably a better thing to do is just to write down the expression for energy lost (dQ/dt--follow along with Jackson or some other reference) and see explicitly that dQ/dt is the integral of (|E|^2*Im(\epsilon)) and so is zero if the imaginary part of the dielectric function is zero.

What are the references that you have consulted previously?
 
Thanks for the reply,

I've used Omar's "Elementary Solid State Physics", Kittel, and the study guide given to us by our lecturer. Your second method sounds good to me... I think the penny may finally drop if I can firstly show that dQ/dt is the integral you mentioned, and subsequently show that the integral, when evaluated, implies a loss of energy to a wave traveling through the dielectric. (I'm guessing some sort of decaying exponential function maybe?)

Does this sound reasonable?

Also a quick search of the reference you mentioned, Jackson's "Classical Electrodynamics", yeah?

Thanks again!
 
adamjford said:
Thanks for the reply,

I've used Omar's "Elementary Solid State Physics", Kittel, and the study guide given to us by our lecturer. Your second method sounds good to me... I think the penny may finally drop if I can firstly show that dQ/dt is the integral you mentioned, and subsequently show that the integral, when evaluated, implies a loss of energy to a wave traveling through the dielectric. (I'm guessing some sort of decaying exponential function maybe?)

Does this sound reasonable?

Also a quick search of the reference you mentioned, Jackson's "Classical Electrodynamics", yeah?

Thanks again!

Yes, that's the Jackson I was thinking of. In the third addition of that book look in section 6.8.

Also, I think a better reference is Landau and Lifgarbagez "electrodynamics of continuous media". In the sencond edition of that book see section 80.
 
Thanks!

And my reasoning is sound, yeah?
 
Also... will a negative imaginary part correspond to the medium transferring energy to the wave, as opposed to absorbing from it?
 
From what I remember from Jackson's text, an EM wave would have form like
<br /> E(t) = E_0 e^{i\omega t - \vec{k}\cdot\vec{x}}<br />
and in a medium it becomes
<br /> E(t) = E_0&#039; e^{i\omega t - n \vec{k} \cdot\vec{x}}<br />
because the frequency stays the same at the boundary but the wavelength and speed change. If the index of refraction is complex, then you get an exponentially decaying solution. Actually, there might be an exponentially growing solution to the wave equation but this one probably doesn't conserve energy and is physically not meaningful.

This is all from memory a few years back so I could be wrong.
 
I think that the imaginary part of the dielectric constant in condensed matter physics is always positive, so that the structure factor S(q,\omega) \propto - \textrm{Im} [1/\varepsilon(q,\omega)] describing dissipation is also positive.
 
kanato said:
...Actually, there might be an exponentially growing solution to the wave equation but this one probably doesn't conserve energy and is physically not meaningful.

A growing solution is also physically possible if the medium is unstable or is out of equilibrium, like in lasers, etc.
 
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adamjford said:
Also... will a negative imaginary part correspond to the medium transferring energy to the wave, as opposed to absorbing from it?

yes. thus for a material in it's ground state the imaginary part of the dielectric function should always be positive.
 
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Thanks everybody for all your help. Much appreciated!
 

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