Complex Geometry - Vectors and Paralellogram

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The discussion revolves around the geometric interpretation of the area of a parallelogram formed by two vectors in the context of complex numbers. The original poster is exploring how the sign of the area, represented as I(a conjugate)b, is influenced by certain geometric features.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the sign of the area and angles in the complex plane. The original poster considers the implications of angles and arguments, while others suggest using polar forms of the vectors. Questions arise about the meaning of I(a conjugate) and its components.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering insights into the geometric properties of the vectors and their representations. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of polar forms and the relationship between the order of vectors and the sign of the area.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on understanding the implications of angles and the properties of complex numbers. The original poster acknowledges a realization related to the angle difference, indicating a shift in their understanding.

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Homework Statement


Lay down vector a, take its endpoint as the initial point of vector b, and complete the parallelogram. The area of this paralellogram taken with a certain sign is I(a conjugate)b. On what geometrical feature does the sign depend?



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My initial thought is that is has something to do with angles and arguments, but my problem is figuring out how the sign changes.
 
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What is I(a conjugate)?
 
Office_Shredder said:
What is I(a conjugate)?

I stands for imaginary like how in a+ib a is the Real part of z and b is the Imaginary part of z. a conjugate is like how the conjugate of a+ib is a-ib.
 
Ah, I see now. Try putting a and b into polar form: rei*theta

and the result will fall out pretty fast
 
So you are thinking of these vectors as in the complex plane? That is, the vector <x, y> is represented by x+ iy?

In three dimensions, the area of the parallelogram formed by vectors [itex]\vec{u}[/itex] and [itex]\vec{v}[/itex] is [itex]|\vec{u}\times\vec{v}|[/itex] and, of course, you need the absolute value because the sign of the cross product depends on the order of the vectors NOT on any property of the parallelogram. Looks to me like the same thing happens here: How does (conjugate a)b is differ from (conjugate b)a?
 
I realized my problem. If I considered the angle [tex]\beta[/tex]-[tex]\alpha[/tex], then I was fine.
 

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