Inner product of complex vectors

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The discussion revolves around the properties of three complex vectors, a, b, and c, particularly focusing on their relationships under specific conditions of orthonormality and linear combinations. The original poster is trying to determine if the known value of a real number x allows for the deduction of an unknown imaginary component y, given the constraints of the problem.

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  • Participants explore the implications of c being a linear combination of a and b, questioning how the known conditions affect the values of y and c. There is a discussion about the relationship between the angles formed by the vectors and the implications of orthonormality.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions and exploring the relationships between the variables. Some have suggested that knowing x might lead to insights about y, while others have raised counterpoints and additional considerations, indicating a dynamic exploration of the topic.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the implications of the conditions provided, particularly regarding the nature of the linear combination and the constraints on the values of y and c. The participants are navigating the complexities of the problem without reaching a consensus.

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I have three (N x 1) complex vectors, a, b and c.

I know the following conditions:

(1) a and b are orthonormal (but length of c is unknown)
(2) c lies in the same 2D plane as a and b
(3) aHc = x (purely real, known)
(4) bHc = iy (purely imaginary, unknown)

where (.)H denotes Hermitian (conjugate) transpose, i is the imaginary unit and x,y are real numbers.

Given that I know x, can I deduce y?

My hunch is that (without the "purely real/imaginary" statements), these conditions would define y up to an arbitrary complex phase, but the "purely real/imaginary" conditions allow the phase to be known too. However, my reasoning relies on there being some sense of "angle" between a and c and between b and c... such that these angles sum to 90° for the orthonormality condition (1). I don't know if this is valid.
 
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hi weetabixharry! :smile:
weetabixharry said:
(2) c lies in the same 2D plane as a and b

doesn't that mean that c must be a linear combination of a and b ?
 
tiny-tim said:
doesn't that mean that c must be a linear combination of a and b ?

Yes, where I guess the coefficients of the linear combination are complex scalars.
 
weetabixharry said:
Yes, where I guess the coefficients of the linear combination are complex scalars.
From which it follows that y=0?
 
haruspex said:
From which it follows that y=0?

Why?
 
haruspex said:
From which it follows that y=0?

c is a linear combination of a and b:

c = Aa + Bb

for A,B complex scalars.

Therefore, from (3) and (1), A = x
and, from (4) and (1), B = iy

I can't see why y=0

I guess, from this I have:

c = xa + iyb

which is 1 equation in 2 unknowns (y and c)... so I'm stumped.
 
You know facts about aHc, bHc. How can you combine that with with knowing c = Aa + Bb? Actually I was wrong to suggest y=0, but you can at least make progress this way.
 
haruspex said:
You know facts about aHc, bHc. How can you combine that with with knowing c = Aa + Bb? Actually I was wrong to suggest y=0, but you can at least make progress this way.

I combined these in my previous post to write A,B as functions of x,y.
Beyond that, I guess I can say:

|c|2 = x2 - y2
 
Suppose you found a y and c =xa+iyb which satisfied all the conditions. Wouldn't 2y and c' =xa+i2yb also satisfy them?
 
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hi weetabixharry! :smile:

(just got up :zzz:)
weetabixharry said:
c = xa + iyb

that's right! :smile:
which is 1 equation in 2 unknowns (y and c)...

so what's the answer to :wink: … ?
weetabixharry said:
Given that I know x, can I deduce y?
 

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