Complex Integrals (for me at least)

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The discussion revolves around the integration of two specific integrals: ∫tln√(t+1) and ∫4te^(2-0.3t). Participants explore various methods for solving these integrals, including integration by parts and substitutions, while addressing potential misunderstandings in the formulation of the second integral.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests rewriting the first integral using the property of logarithms, proposing the transformation to ∫tlog(1+t) and a substitution y=1+t.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the formulation of the second integral and proposes separating the exponential term into constant and variable parts for integration.
  • A different participant provides a detailed integration by parts approach for the first integral, showing step-by-step calculations without asserting the correctness of the final result.
  • There is a request for clarification on whether the second integral can be integrated by parts, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the integral's structure.
  • A later reply confirms that integrating the second integral by parts is indeed a viable approach and provides guidance on how to format integrals in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the methods of integration being discussed, but there is some uncertainty regarding the formulation of the second integral and whether it can be approached in the suggested manner. The discussion remains unresolved with respect to the final solutions for the integrals.

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Some participants express confusion about the notation and structure of the integrals, indicating a need for clarity on the variables involved and the application of integration techniques. There are also unresolved steps in the integration processes presented.

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Hey!

How do I integrate ∫tln√(t+1) and ∫4te^(2-0,3t)?
Thanks in advance.
 
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On that first integral, you might try using $$\log x^a = a\log x$$, and re-write it in the equivalent form$$\int t\log\sqrt{1+t}\, dt = \frac{1}{2}\, \int t\log(1+t)\, dt$$

Next, try the substitution $$y=1+t?$$NOTE: I always use "log" instead of "ln", so where you wrote "ln" I've written "log".
 
For the second integral, I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Is it

$$4\, \int e^{2-0.3 t} \, dt = ?$$

If so, then it might be worth separating the exponential term into two parts; one that contains the variable "t", and must - therefore - be kept inside the integral sign, while the other is a constant $$(e^{x+y}=e^xe^y)$$:

$$\int e^{2-0.3 t}\, dt = e^2\, \int e^{-0.3 t}\, dt$$
 
Hello, filiphenrique!

Integrate these "by parts".
I'll do the first one.

I \;=\;\int t \ln\sqrt{t+1}\,dt
\begin{Bmatrix}u &=& \tfrac{1}{2}\ln(t+1) && dv &=& t\,dt \\ du &=& \tfrac{dt}{2(t+1)} && v &=& \tfrac{1}{2}t^2\end{Bmatrix}

I \;=\;\tfrac{1}{4}t^2\ln(t+1) - \tfrac{1}{4}\int \frac{t^2}{t+1}\,dt

I \;=\;\tfrac{1}{4}t^2\ln(t+1) - \tfrac{1}{4}\int\left(t - 1 + \frac{1}{t+1}\right)\,dt
I \;=\;\tfrac{1}{4}t^2\ln(t+1) - \tfrac{1}{4}\left[\tfrac{1}{2}t^2 - t + \ln(t+1)\right] + C

I \;=\;\tfrac{1}{4}t^2\ln(t+1) - \tfrac{1}{8}t^2 + \tfrac{1}{4}t - \tfrac{1}{4}\ln(t+1) + C
 
DreamWeaver said:
For the second integral, I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Is it

$$4\, \int e^{2-0.3 t} \, dt = ?$$

If so, then it might be worth separating the exponential term into two parts; one that contains the variable "t", and must - therefore - be kept inside the integral sign, while the other is a constant $$(e^{x+y}=e^xe^y)$$:

$$\int e^{2-0.3 t}\, dt = e^2\, \int e^{-0.3 t}\, dt$$

Hey, thanks for the reply. I got what you meant in the first integral I posted. But in the second integral, We really have the t variable before the e^(2-0,3t). Based on the way you start solving the integral, can I put the 4 and the e^2 off and integrate te^0,3t by parts? Thanks!

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By the way, how do I write integrals the way you guys do here?
 
Hiya! :D

Yes, you certainly can integrate that last one by parts, starting with $$(d/dt)e^{at} = ?$$

To show integrals the way I posted above, write

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to display as

$$ \int f(x)\, dx = g(x) $$
And as for the integral itself, if $$a$$ and $$b$$ are constants, then

$$\int e^{a+bx}\,dx = \int (e^a\, e^{bx})\, dx = e^a\int e^{bx}\, dx$$

Can you solve it from there? :D
 

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