Complex Number Equation: Why Does a+bi=1 Not Give the Final Answer?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving complex equations, specifically focusing on the equation z^3 - 1 = 0 and its solutions in the form a + bi. Participants explore the necessity of expressing solutions in both modulus and argument forms, as well as the implications of representing complex numbers in different forms.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the equation z^3 - 1 = 0 has three solutions and express confusion about why a + bi = 1 is not considered the final answer.
  • Others explain that every complex number can be represented in terms of modulus and argument, and that this representation is important for understanding the solutions.
  • A participant suggests that to solve z^3 = 1, one must consider both the modulus and the angle, leading to the conclusion that the modulus must be 1 and the angles are 0, 2π/3, and 4π/3.
  • Participants provide the three solutions in a + bi form, clarifying that the first solution is 1, while the other two solutions are expressed with specific values for a and b.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of providing multiple solutions in a + bi form, with some participants initially believing only one solution was required.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there are multiple solutions to the equation and that these can be expressed in a + bi form. However, there is some disagreement regarding the necessity of representing the solutions in both modulus and argument forms versus just providing the a + bi representation.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the requirement to provide multiple solutions in a + bi form, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the problem's requirements.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and individuals interested in complex numbers, particularly those learning about different forms of representation and the solutions to polynomial equations in the complex plane.

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Solve the following equations in the form a +bi.
a) z^3-1=0
b) 3z^4+i=1-2i

Apparently, the solution for a) is this:
z^3=1
z=1
z=a+bi=1
sqrt(a^2+b^2)=1

I don't understand why a+bi=1 is not the final answer. Why do you have to make it into a modulus?
 
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Raerin said:
Solve the following equations in the form a +bi.
a) z^3-1=0
b) 3z^4+i=1-2i

Apparently, the solution for a) is this:
z^3=1
z=1
z=a+bi=1
sqrt(a^2+b^2)=1

I don't understand why a+bi=1 is not the final answer. Why do you have to make it into a modulus?

To solve a polynomial equation in complex numbers, there are always as many roots as the order of the polynomial. I'd advise simplifying as much as possible (e.g. up to z^3 = something), writing the RHS in a general exponential form, and going from there...
 
Raerin said:
Solve the following equations in the form a +bi.
a) z^3-1=0
b) 3z^4+i=1-2i

Apparently, the solution for a) is this:
z^3=1
z=1
z=a+bi=1
sqrt(a^2+b^2)=1

I don't understand why a+bi=1 is not the final answer. Why do you have to make it into a modulus?

There are 3 solutions for a).

Every complex number can be written as the combination of the modulus and the angle (aka its "argument").
If we multiply 2 complex numbers, the result has a modulus that is the product of the 2 moduli, and it has an angle that is the sum of the 2 angles.

Suppose the modulus of $z$ is $r$, and the angle of $z$ is $\phi$.
Then the modulus of $z^3$ is $r^3$, and its angle is $3\phi$.

To solve $z^3=1$, we need that $r^3 = 1$ and that $3\phi = 2n\pi$ (where $n$ is a whole number).
It follows that the modulus $r$ must be $1$.
And that the angle $\phi = 0,\ 2\pi/3,\ 4\pi/3$.

In other words, the solutions are:
\begin{aligned}
z&=1 \\
z&=-\frac 1 2 + \frac 1 2 \sqrt 3 i \\
z&=-\frac 1 2 - \frac 1 2 \sqrt 3 i
\end{aligned}
 
I like Serena said:
There are 3 solutions for a).

Every complex number can be written as the combination of the modulus and the angle (aka its "argument").
If we multiply 2 complex numbers, the result has a modulus that is the product of the 2 moduli, and it has an angle that is the sum of the 2 angles.

Suppose the modulus of $z$ is $r$, and the angle of $z$ is $\phi$.
Then the modulus of $z^3$ is $r^3$, and its angle is $3\phi$.

To solve $z^3=1$, we need that $r^3 = 1$ and that $3\phi = 2n\pi$ (where $n$ is a whole number).
It follows that the modulus $r$ must be $1$.
And that the angle $\phi = 0,\ 2\pi/3,\ 4\pi/3$.

In other words, the solutions are:
\begin{aligned}
z&=1 \\
z&=-\frac 1 2 + \frac 1 2 \sqrt 3 i \\
z&=-\frac 1 2 - \frac 1 2 \sqrt 3 i
\end{aligned}

So how am I supposed to write that in a+bi form?
 
Raerin said:
So how am I supposed to write that in a+bi form?

The first solution has $a=1,\ b=0$.
The second solution has $a=-\frac 1 2,\ b=\frac 1 2 \sqrt 3$.

In other words, the solutions I gave are in $a+bi$ form.
 
I like Serena said:
The first solution has $a=1,\ b=0$.
The second solution has $a=-\frac 1 2,\ b=\frac 1 2 \sqrt 3$.

In other words, the solutions I gave are in $a+bi$ form.
Oh, I see, I was under the impression that I only need one answer in a+bi form.

Thanks!
 
Raerin said:
Oh, I see, I was under the impression that I only need one answer in a+bi form.

Thanks!

Every complex number has 2 representations: the $a+bi$ or cartesian form and the $r^{}e^{i\phi}$ or polar form.
In this case they are asking for the cartesian form.
 

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