Complex Number Help: Find x+yi for z1,z1z2,z1/z2

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The discussion revolves around finding the conjugate of complex numbers and performing operations such as multiplication and division on them. Participants are tasked with expressing these operations in the form x + yi, specifically for the complex numbers z1 = −11 + 2i and z2 = −1 + 13i. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to complex analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about how to find the conjugate of z1 and z1z2, as well as how to compute z1/z2.
  • One participant suggests rationalizing the denominator when dealing with the expression 1/(x + iy) to remove the imaginary unit from the denominator.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the conjugate of a complex number is defined as having the same real part and the negative imaginary part.
  • Some participants express confusion over whether to divide by the modulus when finding the conjugate, leading to clarifications about the definition of conjugates.
  • A later reply provides a detailed solution for finding the conjugate of z1 and the product z1z2, using the FOIL method for multiplication.
  • Another participant outlines the process for dividing complex numbers by rationalizing the denominator and provides a step-by-step approach to finding z1/z2.

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Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the interpretation of the operations and definitions involved. While some participants agree on the definition of the conjugate, there is contention over the necessity of dividing by the modulus and the correct approach to the calculations.

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Some posts indicate confusion due to unclear formatting in the original questions, which may have led to misinterpretations of the tasks. Additionally, the discussion reflects varying levels of understanding of complex number operations, which may affect the clarity of responses.

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Readers interested in complex analysis, particularly those seeking clarification on operations involving complex numbers and their conjugates, may find this discussion beneficial.

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z1 = −11+2 i and z2 = −1+13 i are given

I need to find the following in the form x + y i.

conjugate of z1 =

conjugate of z1z2=

z1/z2 =

a) how would i go about it
and
b) can someone provide the solutions to the questions if possible
 
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Kris said:
z1 = −11+2 i and z2 = −1+13 i are given

I need to find the following in the form x + y i.

/z1 =

/z1z2=

z1/z2 =

a) how would i go about it
and
b) can someone provide the solutions to the questions if possible

a) first of all you have to rationalize the function $$1/(x+iy)$$...that means you you should remove the i term from [math]x+iy[/math] in the denominator ... do you now how to do that?...multiply it with $$x-iy[/math] and see the result
 
Kris said:
z1 = −11+2 i and z2 = −1+13 i are given

I need to find the following in the form x + y i.

/z1 =

/z1z2=

z1/z2 =

a) how would i go about it
and
b) can someone provide the solutions to the questions if possible

The first two "things" you need to do are unreadable, please fix them.
 
Kris said:
I have got just got the solution to the third one. However i can't work out the solution to the first two conjugate equations. Can you provide the answer to the first one? or at least how to solve it

Assuming you mean $\frac{1}{z_1}$, multiply both sides of the fraction by the complex conjugate of the denominator $z_1$. This'll give you a real denominator and you can split the fraction into real and imaginary parts then.

Consider:

$$\frac{1}{x + iy} = \frac{1}{x + iy} \cdot \frac{x - iy}{x - iy} = \frac{x - iy}{(x + iy)(x - iy)} = \frac{x - iy}{x^2 + y^2} = \frac{x}{x^2 + y^2} - i \frac{y}{x^2 + y^2}$$

And $x^2 + y^2$ is real by definition. Does it make sense now?
 
Kris said:
z1 = −11+2 i and z2 = −1+13 i are given

I need to find the following in the form x + y i.

conjugate of z1 =

conjugate of z1z2=

z1/z2 =

a) how would i go about it
and
b) can someone provide the solutions to the questions if possible

Now that you have made your questions readable, you should know that the conjugate of a complex number is defined as having the same real part and the negative imaginary part of the original complex number.
 
So u are saying that for the first one my answer should be -11+(-2*i)? is that what i am understanding?
 
Kris said:
So u are saying that for the first one my answer should be -11+(-2*i)? is that what i am understanding?

Yes :)
 
Prove It said:
Yes :)

i think answer is $$-11-2i$$ divided by its modulus
 
mathworker said:
i think answer is $$-11-2i$$ divided by its modulus

Well you think wrong. If [math]\displaystyle z = x + i\,y [/math] then [math]\bar{z} = x - i\,y [/math]. You do not divide by its modulus.

You are instead thinking of finding a unit vector in the same direction as an original vector.
 
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Prove It said:
Well you think wrong. If [math]\displaystyle z = x + i\,y [/math] then [math]\bar{z} = x - i\,y [/math]. You do not divide by its modulus.

You are instead thinking of finding a unit vector in the same direction as an original vector.

sorry:o, i read the question as $$1/z1$$
 
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mathworker said:
sorry:o, i read the question as $$1/z1$$

I hope I didn't offend you, it's not your fault that there were many interpretations of the original post :)
 
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Kris said:
z1 = −11+2 i and z2 = −1+13 i are given

I need to find the following in the form x + y i.

conjugate of z1 =

conjugate of z1z2=

z1/z2 =

a) how would i go about it
and
b) can someone provide the solutions to the questions if possible

I realize that with the other posts, this will be somewhat redundant, but I hope it will be useful nevertheless to have everything consolidated.

The Question:
Given the numbers $z_1 = -11 + 2i$ and $z_2 = -1 + 13i$, find:
i) the conjugate of $z_1$ (which I'll denote $\overline{z_1}$)
ii) $\overline{z_1 \, z_2}$
iii) $\overline{z_1/z_2}$

The Solution:

We begin by noting that for any complex number in the form $z=a+bi$, we may simply write $\overline{z}=a-bi$. Thus, the answer to i) is simply
$$\overline{z_1}=-11-2i$$
The second bit is a little trickier, because we have to multiply two complex numbers. There are different methods to use here, but I always prefer to "FOIL" it, that is, expand it as the usual product of binomials, remembering that $i^2=1$:
$$z_1\,z_2=(-11 + 2i)(-1 + 13i)=11-22i-143i+26i^2=11-26-22i-143i\\
=-15-165i$$
From there, it's easy to find the conjugate of the result:
$$\overline{z_1\,z_2}=-15+165i$$
See what I did there?
Another way we could have done this is by finding the conjugate of each number, then multiplying. In other words:
$$\overline{z_1\,z_2}=(\overline{z_1})(\overline{z_2})$$
As you will find out for problems more intricate than this, this becomes important later.

Part 3 is tricker still, because now we're dividing fractions. I'll make that its own post
 
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Part 3:
We now need to find $z_1/z_2$. Because having a complex number in the denominator is tricky, we are going to rationalize it. That is, we write:
$$\frac{z_1}{z_2}
=\frac{z_1}{z_2}\cdot \frac{\overline{z_2}}{\overline{z_2}}
\\=\frac{z_1\,\overline{z_2}}{z_2\,\overline{z_2}}
\\=\frac{z_1\,\overline{z_2}}{\left| z_2 \right| ^2}$$
That is, in order to get rid of the complex number in the denominator, we multiply by the entire fraction by the conjugate of the denominator over itself. Since the product of any complex number with its conjugate yields the square of its modulus, we now have a real number in the denominator, making our lives much easier.

So, we have:
$$\frac{−11+2i }{−1+13i }
=\frac{−11+2i}{-1+13i}\cdot \frac{-1-13i}{-1-13i}
\\=\frac{(-11+2i)\,(-1-13i)}{(-1+13i)\,(-1-13i)}$$

From here, simply expand the product as we did before. You should end up with

$$=\frac{37+141i}{170}\\
=\frac{37}{170}+\frac{141}{170}i
$$

Now, we simply need to take the conjugate, so flip the second term to get
$$\overline{\left(\frac{z_1}{z_2}\right)}=
\frac{37}{170}-\frac{141}{170}i$$
 

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