Complicated probability question with urns and balls

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the probability that two individuals, Joe and Mary, draw the same number of red balls from their respective urns containing red and green balls. Joe draws from an urn with n red and n green balls, while Mary draws from an urn with m red and m green balls, both without replacement.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the probability of drawing a specific number of red balls using the hypergeometric distribution. There is an exploration of how to express the probability of Joe and Mary drawing the same number of red balls.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided expressions for the probabilities involved, and there is a confirmation of the correctness of the probability formula for Joe's draws. The discussion is ongoing, with attempts to clarify and verify the calculations related to both Joe's and Mary's draws.

Contextual Notes

Participants are referencing the hypergeometric distribution to guide their calculations, indicating a focus on combinatorial methods. There is an assumption that both Joe and Mary draw the same number of balls, which is central to the problem.

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Homework Statement



Suppose that Joe draws k balls from and urn containing n red balls and n green balls, without replacing the balls after they are drawn. Similarly, Mary draws k balls from an urn containing m red balls and m green balls, without replacing the balls after they are drawn. We want to computer the probability that Joe and Mary will draw the same number of red balls.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Let E be the event that J and M draw the same number of red balls.
So P(E) = P(J draws i red balls and M draws i red balls)
= P(J draws i red balls) P(M draws i red balls)

I don't know how to write P(J draws i red balls)
 
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zeion said:

Homework Statement



Suppose that Joe draws k balls from and urn containing n red balls and n green balls, without replacing the balls after they are drawn. Similarly, Mary draws k balls from an urn containing m red balls and m green balls, without replacing the balls after they are drawn. We want to computer the probability that Joe and Mary will draw the same number of red balls.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Let E be the event that J and M draw the same number of red balls.
So P(E) = P(J draws i red balls and M draws i red balls)
= P(J draws i red balls) P(M draws i red balls)

I don't know how to write P(J draws i red balls)

Look up the hypergeometric distribution. See, eg.,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergeometric_distribution or
http://stattrek.com/lesson2/hypergeometric.aspx .

RGV
 
the chance that J will draw i red ball is

(n choose i) * (n choose k - i) / (2n choose k)

is that right
 
zeion said:
the chance that J will draw i red ball is

(n choose i) * (n choose k - i) / (2n choose k)

is that right

Yes.

RGV
 
so J and M both draw i balls is

[(n choose i) * (n choose k - i) / (2n choose k)] * [(m choose i) * (m choose k - i) / (2m choose k)]

right
 

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