Composition goes to 0? f(x)/x -> 0 and g(x) -> 0 prove g(f(x))/x->0

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The discussion revolves around a lemma related to error functions in mathematical analysis, specifically examining the composition of functions and their limits. Participants are analyzing a proof from a mathematics textbook and questioning its validity, particularly focusing on the implications of certain inequalities and the conditions under which the lemma holds.

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  • Brian expresses confusion over the last step of a proof regarding the composition of error functions, questioning how the inequality |e(s(h))/h| < ε can be derived from |e(s(h))/s(h)| < ε.
  • Another participant suggests that |h| < δ implies |e(s(h))/h| < ε, but Brian challenges this reasoning, arguing that it does not hold universally for all values of h and s(h).
  • Brian provides a counter-example using the function sqrt(h) to argue that the lemma may be incorrect, stating that the conditions given in the lemma are insufficient for it to hold.
  • A later reply proposes a conditional approach, suggesting that if |s(h)| ≤ |h|, then the inequality holds, but expresses uncertainty about the validity of this condition.
  • Brian concludes that the lemma is likely incorrect, asserting that the authors may have intended to specify that s(h) must also be an error function for the lemma to be valid.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the lemma. There are competing views regarding the implications of the inequalities presented in the proof, and Brian's counter-example raises significant doubt about the lemma's correctness.

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Participants highlight limitations in the proof, particularly regarding the assumptions about the relationship between h and s(h), and the necessity for s(h) to be an error function for the lemma to hold. The discussion remains unresolved with respect to the lemma's validity.

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I've been looking at different math books that have analysis problems to get more perspectives on how to approach various analysis problems. I was following along in the "Derivatives" section of the book "Mathematical Thinking" by D'Angelo and West, second edition, and arrived at a lemma with corresponding proof that doesn't make sense to me.

16.5 Lemma: Suppose e is an error function (any function such that lim_{h \rightarrow 0}\frac{e(h)}{h} = 0 ). If s(h) \rightarrow 0 then the composition e \circ s is an error function.

The proof given goes like: for every \epsilon &gt; 0 we can choose \delta &gt; 0 such that |t| &lt; \delta \Rightarrow |e(t)| \le |t| \epsilon. Therefore |e(s(h))| \le |s(h)| \epsilon for |s(h)| &lt; \delta. Since s(h) \rightarrow 0 we can choose \delta &#039; s.t. |h| &lt; \delta &#039; \Rightarrow |s(h)| &lt; \delta and hence |h| &lt; \delta &#039; \Rightarrow |e(s(h))/h| &lt; \epsilon. This proves that (e \circ s)(h) / h \rightarrow 0. \blacksquare

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However, I don't follow the last step. It seems to me that we only have |h| &lt; \delta &#039; \Rightarrow |e(s(h))/s(h)| \le \epsilon, how can we say this implies |e(s(h))/h| &lt; \epsilon ? The only way this is true would be if h &gt; s(h) but as s(h) is some function of h, I don't see how this could be true universally.

I would greatly appreciate help, it's bugging me I can't figure it out.

Maybe the proof is wrong and the error was overlooked, if so is there another way to prove it?

Thanks,
Brian
 
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<br /> |h| &lt; \delta \Rightarrow |e(s(h))/h| &lt; \epsilon <br />

Note that,

<br /> |h| &lt; \delta \Rightarrow |e(s(h))/h | = | e (\delta) / \delta | &lt; \epsilon<br />

Which of course implies what was to be proven.
 
I don't see why this is so...

<br /> <br /> |h| &lt; \delta \Rightarrow |e(h)/h | &lt; \epsilon<br />

for that specific h, it does not imply |e(h)/d | &lt; \epsilon for any d &lt; \delta, obviously this is false because we could make d arbitrarily small while fixing e(h). Similarly, |h| &lt; \delta and |s(h)| &lt; \delta in no way implies they are equal, e.g. define s(h) = h/2 \Rightarrow s(h) &lt; \delta if h &lt; \delta. In fact, even if f(x) goes to 0, this does not imply f(x) \le x for small x, consider srqt(x) on [0,infinity). sqrt(x) goes to 0 as x goes to 0, but sqrt(x) > x for x < 1 !

I might be misunderstanding what you are trying to say, in any case I fail to see your point.

Note the problem I was having with understanding the proof is due to this implication:

<br /> |h| &lt; \delta &#039; \Rightarrow |e(s(h))/h| &lt; \epsilon <br />

I don't see why it holds, obviously if it holds I see the proof is finished.
 
An idea that may work:

for a particular h (with abs. val. < delta and delta'), if |s(h)| <= |h| then obviously |e(s(h))/h| \le |e(s(h))/s(h)| &lt; \epsilon. On the other hand, if |s(h)| > |h|, then because e(x) -> 0 as x->0 if we can say e(h) > e(s(h)) then we can say |e(s(h))/h| \le |e(h)/h| &lt; \epsilon. However, I am not sure this holds.
 
I realized my previous example (using sqrt(x)) gives a counter-example which disproves the given Lemma, i.e. the book is WRONG. I wasted all that time for a stupid error in a book... They probably meant to say s(h) is also an error function, than it would hold, just going to 0 isn't enough.

Counter-example: take e(h) = h^2 , s(h) = sqrt(h) (or sqrt(|h|) on reals). Then e(h)/h = h ->0 as h -> 0. sqrt(h) -> 0 as h -> 0. But, e(s(h)) = h (or |h| on reals), so that e(s(h))/h -> 1 (or does not exist on reals) as h->0 => e(s(h)) is not an error function.
 

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