Composition of infinite deformation retracts

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of deformation retracts in the context of smooth manifolds with boundaries. Participants explore whether the composition of infinitely many deformation retracts can yield a deformation retract of the boundary of a manifold when certain conditions on a function defined on the manifold are met.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem regarding the deformation retract of a boundary of a smooth manifold given a specific function and conditions on sublevel sets.
  • Another participant suggests that infinite compositions of maps may not retain properties of individual maps and proposes a compactness argument, questioning the behavior of the function on the boundary.
  • A later reply introduces an additional hypothesis that the function approaches negative infinity as points approach the boundary, questioning its impact on the problem.
  • Another participant provides a specific example involving a modified sphere and discusses the behavior of the function in relation to the boundary, suggesting that assumptions about the function's limits are crucial.
  • One participant clarifies that the manifold and its boundary are simply connected, which they believe may address potential counterexamples raised earlier.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the implications of the function's behavior near the boundary and whether the assumptions provided are sufficient to conclude the desired properties of deformation retracts. Multiple competing views and hypotheses remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the provided hypotheses, particularly regarding the behavior of the function on the boundary and the completeness of the problem statement. There is an unresolved discussion about the conditions necessary for the deformation retract properties to hold.

finsly
Messages
3
Reaction score
0
I'm trying to give an answer to the following problem, I hope someone could come in help! Consider a smooth n-dimensional manifold M with smooth (nonempty) boundary \partial M, and suppose given a function f: M\setminus \partial M \to \mathbb{R} (which one can assume to be differentiable) satisfying the property that there exists A > 0 such that for any A \le \alpha \le \beta, one has that the sublevel \left\{F\le -\beta\right\} is a deformation retract of \left\{F\le -\alpha \right\}. The question is: is it true that \partial M is a deformation retract of \left\{F\le -A\right\}\cup \partial M (i.e., is it true that a composition of infinitely many of such deformation retracts is a deformation retract)?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
I don't have a full answer for you, but as a rule of thumb, infinite compositions of maps don't necessarily retain the properties of the individual maps. I think in this case a compactness argument might work, although I think either I'm missing something from your statement, or it's incomplete. Do we know what f\big|_{\partial M} is? I was assuming it's identically zero, but I realize the problem doesn't say, nor does it say anything about what happens on the levels between zero and A.
 
First of all, thank you for your reply. Next, you're right, I forgot an hypothesis that could be crucial: f(p)\to -\infty as p approaches the boundary \partial M. Could this do any difference?
Maybe, (but I don't know if this makes any sense...) an idea could be to work with the extended function \hat{f}: M \to \mathbb{R}^*, where \mathbb{R}^*:=\mathbb{R}\cup \left\{\infty\right\} (the Alexandroff compactification of \mathbb{R}), \hat{f}(p):=f(p) if p \in M\setminus \partial M and \hat{f}:=\infty if f \in \partial M (hoping that this \hat{f} inherits some regularity from f...). In this way, \partial M would become the level \left\{f=\infty\right\}...
 
Slice the north polar ice cap off of a sphere to get a manifold with boundary. Then remove the South pole. Let f be the reciprocal of the minimum of the distances along a great circles to the South pole and to the edge of the removed polar cap. This function is continuous and f(p) -> -∞ as p approaches the edge of the removed ice cap.

But but the set,

f < - the distance of the meridian where both distances are the same

does not deform onto the edge circle of the ice cap.it seems that you need to assume that f(p) -> -∞ if and only if p approaches the boundary.
 
Last edited:
I really apologize with all of you for the incompleteness of the provided hypothesis. Actually, the manifold M is simply connected as well as its boundary \partial M, and these restrictions seems to exclude the latter counterexample (if I'm not wrong).
And (finally) these are all the hypothesis I have...
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 36 ·
2
Replies
36
Views
6K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K