[Compound Interest] Layman way vs. Derivative way

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The discussion revolves around the comparison of different methods for calculating compound interest, specifically contrasting a layman's approach with a derivative-based approach. Participants explore the implications of instantaneous rates of change in the context of investments and whether these concepts have practical applications in real-world scenarios.

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  • One participant presents an investment model where the capital doubles every year, questioning the relevance of the instantaneous rate of change in practical investment scenarios.
  • Another participant draws an analogy between the instantaneous rate of change of a car's position and the rate of change of compound savings, suggesting that while speed is crucial for safety, the same may not apply to investment calculations.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the importance of understanding various interest formulas when comparing investment options, highlighting that different compounding methods can lead to different outcomes.
  • Participants discuss the potential confusion that may arise when comparing different interest rates and compounding frequencies, noting that a lack of understanding could lead to poor investment choices.

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Participants express differing views on the practical utility of the instantaneous rate of change in investment contexts. While some see value in understanding these concepts for comparing investments, others question their relevance in everyday financial decision-making. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall significance of these mathematical approaches in real-world applications.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the practical benefits of knowing the instantaneous rate of change in investments, and there are unresolved questions about how different compounding methods affect investment decisions.

TadeusPrastowo
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My https://www.amazon.com/dp/0073532320/?tag=pfamazon01-20 (p. 176 Example 7.1) pointed out that an investment ##p(t) = 100\,2^t## (##t## in year) that doubles the capital every year starting with an initial capital of $100, has an (instantaneous) rate-of-change ##\frac{\text{d}}{\text{d}t} p(t) = p'(t) = 100\,2^t\,\ln 2##.

Layman usually uses the formula ##p(t/12) = 100\,2^{t/12}## if he wants to know his capital at the end of each month. And, I think that makes sense because if the capital is never cashed, at the end of the first year, the initial capital doubles exactly to $200.

Now, the textbook claims that ##\frac{p'(t)}{p(t)} = \ln 2 \approx 69.3%## is the percentage change per year, and that should be surprising to most people because a percentage rate of 69.3% will double the investment each year if compounded "continuously".

Why it should make sense at all? I think people simply use something like ##p(t/12) = 100\,2^{t/12}## to calculate their capital after certain months. Why would knowing the instantaneous rate of change be beneficial at all in business, and so, should surprise people by the percentage change of 69.3% per year? Is the example simply a thought exercise without any direct connection to the real world?

Thank you.
 
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TadeusPrastowo said:
Why would knowing the instantaneous rate of change be beneficial at all in business, and so, should surprise people by the percentage change of 69.3% per year? Is the example simply a thought exercise without any direct connection to the real world?

Taking an analogy to instantaneous rate-of-change of car's position (i.e., car's speed), the rate-of-change of position is very beneficial because speed relates to the magnitude of the car's kinetic energy where the greater the energy is, the more fatal a car crash becomes.

So, I think the rate-of-change of a compound saving is not beneficial to calculate the amount of capital at the end of each month (analogously, the rate-of-change of a car's position is not beneficial to decide the final position of the car after certain miles). But, while there is a great advantage of knowing the car's speed as a car's driver (e.g., minimizing fatality in an accident), is there any advantage of knowing the rate-of-change of a compound saving as an investor?

Thank you.
 
The practical interest is in comparing investments.
The interest formula is
$$A=A_0 \, \left( 1+\tfrac{r}{n}\right) ^{n t}$$
If your are comparing several options each with different n and r you need to be able decide which is best.
In your example say you can choose 100% interest compounded annually or 70% interest compounded continuously. You would choose the later. Someone who does not understand interest might take the former as 100>70.
 
lurflurf said:
The practical interest is in comparing investments.
The interest formula is
$$A=A_0 \, \left( 1+\tfrac{r}{n}\right) ^{n t}$$
If your are comparing several options each with different n and r you need to be able decide which is best.

That makes sense.

lurflurf said:
In your example say you can choose 100% interest compounded annually or 70% interest compounded continuously. You would choose the later. Someone who does not understand interest might take the former as 100>70.

Ah, I see the point now.

Thank you very much.
 

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