Logarithm question using compound interest formula

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The problem involves determining the time required for a colony of ants, initially containing 2000 ants, to double in size given a monthly growth rate of 12%. The context is rooted in the application of the compound interest formula.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the compound interest formula but expresses confusion over their calculated time to double the population. Some participants suggest a reconsideration of the formula used, particularly the interpretation of the growth rate and the variables involved.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the correct application of the compound interest formula. Some guidance has been provided regarding the correct interpretation of the growth rate and the dimensionality of the variables in the equation. There is acknowledgment of the original poster's misunderstanding, but no explicit consensus has been reached on the final approach.

Contextual Notes

There is a discussion about the appropriate values for the variables in the formula, particularly the distinction between monthly and annual growth rates, and how they affect the calculations. The original poster's confusion about the formula's application in the context of compounding is noted.

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Homework Statement


A colony of ants will grow by 12% per month. If the colony originally contains 2000 ants how long will it take for the colony to double in size?

Answer - 6.12 months

Homework Equations


A = P(1+r/n)nt

The Attempt at a Solution


r = 12% = 0.12
n = 12
P = 2000
A = 4000
t = ?

A = P(1+r/n)nt
4000 = 2000(1+0.12/12)12t
2 = (1.01)12t
log2 = log(1.01)12t
log2 = 12t log(1.01)
log2/12log(1.01) = t
t = 5.8 months

I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I've followed another compound interest question that is very similar to this one but my answer is still 0.3 months out. Can anyone point out what I'm doing wrong?
Thanks for your help
 
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You seem to be mixing up the formula.
Your base for the exponent should be 1 + the percentage growth for each time increment...in this case months.
If you were given a yearly growth rate and asked to figure out monthly growth, then n would be 12, but in this case, n is 1, and you can let t represent months.
This gives you
## A = P(1 + .12)^t. ##
 
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Yes that was definitely my problem. Physics Forum for the win again! Thanks a lot for your help!
 
I'd actually suggest that you are solving for n, not t. Why? you have periodic model that is fixed at months, and you want to know how many iterations of your model occur before population size doubles. Furthermore, having t in the exponent is troubling / not interpretable from a units perspective. Exponents are always dimensionless. n iterations is per se dimensionless. Time always has units. So if you want the equation to be transparent/ dimensionally correct, the below is more appropriate

## A = P(1 + .12)^n.##
 
Schaus said:
Yes that was definitely my problem. Physics Forum for the win again! Thanks a lot for your help!

Just to clarify: the formula you wrote initially would be appropriate to a mortgage situation with an annual interest rate (or growth rate) of 12%, but compounded monthly. Mortgages are typically computed that way, so an annual rate of 12% is regarded as a rate of 1% per month in a normal mortgage contract.

Mathematically that is not quite true, because a monthly interest rate of r (0 < r < 1, not a percentage) compounds monthly to ##(1+r)^{12}## in one year. So, mathematically, to get 12% = 0.12 in one year we need ##r = 1.12^{1/12}-1 \doteq 0.00948879293##, about 0.9489%. Or, to put it another way, 1% compounded monthly produces ##1.01^{12} \doteq 1.1268,## so a bit more than 12% per year.
 

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