Question about Compound Interest Formula

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The discussion revolves around the compound interest formula and specifically the role of the constant "1" within the formula. Participants explore its significance in relation to the principal amount and the concept of compounding interest over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the purpose of the "1" in the compound interest formula, suggesting it keeps the compounded value above the principal amount.
  • Another participant illustrates the effect of a compounding rate, using a 4% example to explain how it translates to a total amount owed after one year.
  • A participant proposes that removing the "1" would result in only the interest amount being calculated, rather than the total amount including the principal.
  • Discussion includes a reference to capital R returns and how they relate to the cumulative rate of return, suggesting a different perspective on the formula.
  • One participant affirms that the "1" allows for the retention of the initial investment, reinforcing its role in the formula.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of the parentheses in the formula, indicating that they signify interest is calculated on both the principal and the accumulated interest.

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Participants express varying interpretations of the "1" in the formula and its implications for understanding compound interest. No consensus is reached on a definitive explanation.

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Participants discuss the formula's components without resolving the underlying assumptions about interest calculations and the implications of removing the "1".

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If I have an investment, that is compounded at some rate ##r##, ##n## times per year, it can be written as a function as such:

$$A(t)=P\left(1+\frac{r}{n}\right)^{nt}$$

My question is in regards to the 1 here. I think I have a general idea of what it's for, but I can't really put it into correct words.
What it seems to be doing, is keeping the new compounded value above ##P##. Where if the 1 wasn't there, we would be getting a value less than ##P##. But this seems wishy washy and I'd like to put it into more definitive terms so that I can understand it better. Can anyone help me out with this?
 
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If the compounding rate was say 4% per year compounded once per year then the expression would be 1.04 or 104%

Given a hundred dollar loan then with the 104% means after one year we’d need to pay back 104 dollars.
 
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And under the same circumstances, and removing the 1 from inside the parentheses, that would be just $4. And when we do have the one inside the parentheses, we are adding that $4 to the initial principal investment?
 
Think about it in reverse. So in academic finance you often talk about capital R returns which is A(t+n) / A(t) so the R in the example above is 1.04. Lower case r is then used for the cumulative rate of return which is R-1.

The convenience of thinking about R is that you can then choose any units of time to subdivide you like, and most often you can forget about n and use log returns rather than compound as they are easier to work with so

r annualized = log(R)/t if t is in units of years, for example
 
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opus said:
And under the same circumstances, and removing the 1 from inside the parentheses, that would be just $4. And when we do have the one inside the parentheses, we are adding that $4 to the initial principal investment?
Yes. You can keep your investment. That is the 1 in the formula.
 
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Thanks guys.
 
The reason for the parentheses is to show that each iteration gives you interest on the accumulated interest as well as on the principal. That's why it is called compound.
 
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