Creating Artificial Black Hole: Force Requirements

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The discussion centers on the theoretical requirements for creating an artificial 1000kg black hole, emphasizing the need for a well-defined experimental framework. Participants suggest exploring primordial black holes and the implications of density fluctuations in the early universe. The conversation highlights the challenges of using classical gravity to describe such a small black hole, which would evaporate in approximately 10^-18 seconds. The original poster's question remains vague, leading to the conclusion that further clarification is necessary before any meaningful discussion can proceed.

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In a hypothetical deep space experiment in the distant future with appropriate safety precautions in place, how much force/power/energy would be required to create an artificial 1000kg black hole? I haven’t the faintest clue & this isn’t for homework. Where would I even begin looking for an answer?
 
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Devin-M said:
Where would I even begin looking for an answer?
Before doing that, you need to make the question well-defined. How is this proposed experiment going to create a black hole?

To help clarify your thinking, you might want to look up literature on primordial black holes.
 
I was assuming some type of implosion would be involved acting on a spherical mass.
 
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I was assuming some type of implosion would be involved acting on a spherical mass.
How is the implosion created?

(In the case of primordial black holes, the implosion would be created by large enough density fluctuations in the early universe.)
 
What Peter is likely getting at is that the black hole is smaller than an atom. How do you use atoms to squeeze it if it's smaller than one?
 
Devin-M said:
In a hypothetical deep space experiment in the distant future with appropriate safety precautions in place, how much force/power/energy would be required to create an artificial 1000kg black hole? I haven’t the faintest clue & this isn’t for homework. Where would I even begin looking for an answer?
You could start with a "hot wheels" car crusher, available on Amazon for £141.36:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00158SH3I/

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Don't we also have the problem that for such a small black hole (##R_S\approx 10^{-24}\mathrm{m}##) you'd need quantum gravity to describe the collapse process, anyway? Or are we just assuming classical gravity is fine for the sake of argument?
 
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There's lots of problems. Such a black hole will evaporate in 10^-18 seconds, so whether it "exists" or not is a subject for debate.

The question it reminds me of "Can God create a stone so heavy he can't lift it?"
 
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How much mass does it need to have where if you throw a big enough cloud of particles at it, it persists?
 
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How long is a piece of string?
 
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Devin-M said:
How much mass does it need to have where if you throw a big enough cloud of particles at it, it persists?
I'm not sure what you mean by this, but if you mean, is there a minimum possible mass for a black hole, classical GR, which is the subject matter in this particular forum, does not have any such limit.
 
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The OP question is too vague to be answered and has not been clarified. Thread closed.
 

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