Compton Scattering and Recoil Velocity

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The discussion revolves around a problem in the context of Compton scattering, specifically involving a photon colliding with an electron at rest and being scattered backwards. Participants are tasked with finding the recoil velocity of the electron using momentum conservation principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the Compton scattering equation and momentum conservation. There is an exploration of the implications of the scattering angle and how it affects the calculations. Some participants express uncertainty about the values used in the equations and the potential need for relativistic considerations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning specific aspects of the calculations, particularly regarding a potential typo in the Compton scattering equation. There is an acknowledgment of differing interpretations of the equations and the values used, but no consensus has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of aligning their calculations with the multiple-choice answers provided, which are significantly higher than their computed results. There is a mention of the need to consider relativistic effects, although some believe these may be negligible in this case.

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Homework Statement


A photon of wavelength ##\lambda_i = 200## pm hits an electron at rest, and is scattered exactly backwards. Find the approximate recoil velocity v of the electron using momentum conservation.

Homework Equations


Comptons Scattering:
$$\lambda_f = \lambda_i +\frac{h}{mc}(1-cos(\theta)$$

Momentum of photon:
$$p_\gamma = \frac{h}{\lambda}$$

Momentum conservation:
$$p_1+p_2 = p_1'+p_2'$$

The Attempt at a Solution


Since it recoils exactly backwards, ##\theta = \pi##, so ##(1-cos(\theta) = 1-cos(\pi) = 2##.
So,
$$\lambda_f = \lambda_i +\frac{2\pi \hbar c}{mc^2}$$
Using ##\hbar c = 197.33## MeV fm, and ##mc^2 = E_e = 937## MeV,
$$\lambda_f = 200 pm + \frac{2*2\pi (197.33 MeV fm \frac{10^{-3} pm}{fm})}{937 MeV} = 200.001$$
So for the momentum,
$$p_\gamma = \frac{h}{\lambda_i} = \frac{2\pi\hbar}{\lambda_i}$$
and
$$p_\gamma' = -\frac{h}{\lambda_f} = -\frac{2\pi\hbar}{\lambda_f}$$
and for the electron, ##p_e = 0## and ##p_e' = mv = \frac{mc^2}{c^2}v = \frac{E_e}{c^2}v##
Using conservation of momentum,
$$p_\gamma + p_e = p_\gamma' + p_e' \Rightarrow p_e' = p_\gamma - p_\gamma' \Rightarrow \frac{E_e}{c^2}v = \frac{2\pi\hbar}{\lambda_i} - (-\frac{2\pi\hbar}{\lambda_f}) = 2\pi\hbar(\frac{1}{\lambda_i}+\frac{1}{\lambda_f})$$
$$\Rightarrow v = \frac{2\pi\hbar c*c}{E_e}(\frac{1}{\lambda_i}+\frac{1}{\lambda_f})$$
Converting ##\hbar c## from MeV fm to MeV pm and plugging in all variables gave me ##v = 3969.65 \frac{m}{s}##.
The multiple choice answers were in km/s, and all had over 1000 km/s. My answer would give me about 3.97 km/s.

I have gone through trying to figure out what I did wrong. I though that I might need to use relativistic velocity; however, I found it negligible even with the largest answer choice.
 
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doggydan42 said:

Homework Statement


A photon of wavelength ##\lambda_i = 200## pm hits an electron at rest, and is scattered exactly backwards. Find the approximate recoil velocity v of the electron using momentum conservation.

Homework Equations


Comptons Scattering:
$$\lambda_f = \lambda_i +\frac{h}{mc}(1-cos(\theta)$$

Momentum of photon:
$$p_\gamma = \frac{h}{\lambda}$$

Momentum conservation:
$$p_1+p_2 = p_1'+p_2'$$

The Attempt at a Solution


Since it recoils exactly backwards, ##\theta = \pi##, so ##(1-cos(\theta) = 1-cos(\pi) = 2##.
So,
$$\lambda_f = \lambda_i +\frac{2\pi \hbar c}{mc^2}$$
Using ##\hbar c = 197.33## MeV fm, and ##mc^2 = E_e = 937## MeV.
The mistake is right there.
 
nrqed said:
The mistake is right there.
Are you referring to the missing factor of 2 in the equation for ##\lambda_f##? If so, when. I plugged in the values in the next equation, I added the factor. The first equation missed the factor because of a typo.
 
doggydan42 said:
Are you referring to the missing factor of 2 in the equation for ##\lambda_f##? If so, when. I plugged in the values in the next equation, I added the factor. The first equation missed the factor because of a typo.
I was referring to the very last thing written in the part I quoted.
 

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