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The discussion revolves around computing the circulation of the vector field a = yi + x²j - zk around the contour defined by x² + y² = 4 and z = 3, using both direct computation and Stokes' Theorem. The initial attempt yielded a circulation of 0, but after identifying an error, the correct value was found to be -4π. Participants clarified the definition of the curl of the vector field and the necessity of finding a unit normal vector, which is determined to be k for the plane z = 3. The importance of following the right-hand rule for contour orientation was emphasized. The conversation highlights the complexities involved in applying Stokes' Theorem and the need for careful calculations.
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Homework Statement



Compute the circulation of the vector a = yi+x2j - zk around the contour L: {x2 +y2 = 4; z = 3}, a) directly and b) via the Stokes Theorem.
Plot the contour and show its orientation.

Homework Equations



Stokes theorem is \ointF.dr = \int∇ X F . n dS

The Attempt at a Solution



For (a) which is solving it directly, i used the left side of the equation \ointF.dr and I obtained 0 as my answer. Having problem with part b. What should my ∇f be? Is it 2x i + 2y j + 0 k?
 
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No, it isn't. Don't you know how nabla\times \vec{F} is defined? If \vec{F}= f(x,y,z)\vec{i}+ g(x,y,z)\vec{j}+ h(x,y,z)\vec{k} then
\nabla\times \vec{F}= \left(\frac{\partial h}{\partial y}- \frac{\partial g}{\partial z}\right)\vec{i}-\left(\frac{\partial h}{\partial x}- \frac{\partial f}{\partial z}\right)\vec{j}+ \left(\frac{\partial g}{\partial x}- \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\right)\vec{k}
 
HallsofIvy said:
No, it isn't. Don't you know how nabla\times \vec{F} is defined? If \vec{F}= f(x,y,z)\vec{i}+ g(x,y,z)\vec{j}+ h(x,y,z)\vec{k} then
\nabla\times \vec{F}= \left(\frac{\partial h}{\partial y}- \frac{\partial g}{\partial z}\right)\vec{i}-\left(\frac{\partial h}{\partial x}- \frac{\partial f}{\partial z}\right)\vec{j}+ \left(\frac{\partial g}{\partial x}- \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}\right)\vec{k}

Yes I know that. But to obtain a unit normal vector n, i need to first find \frac{∇f}{|∇f|} , isn't it?

Anyway, I managed to find a mistake I made for the left hand side, and obtained my answer as -4pi. Mind guiding me through for the right hand side?
 
How did you get -4pi? Also, did you manage to finish part b?
 
princessme said:
Yes I know that. But to obtain a unit normal vector n, i need to first find \frac{∇f}{|∇f|} , isn't it?

No.

The unit normal vector ##\mathbf n## is normal to the surface inside the contour.
The obvious choice for that surface is in the plane z=3, bounded by a circle.
The unit normal vector to that plane is ##\mathbf n = \mathbf k##.

So first you have to determine ##\nabla \times \mathbf a##, and then you have to take the dot product with ##\mathbf n = \mathbf k##.
 
How do you know it's "k" and not negative "k"
 
dan38 said:
How do you know it's "k" and not negative "k"

You can choose the direction.
The consequence is that for the contour integral you have to follow the contour according to the right hand rule.
 

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