Computing Relative Homology Groups from a Given Map

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The discussion revolves around computing relative homology groups from a given map, specifically focusing on the induced maps from inclusion maps in the context of homology theory. Participants explore examples involving the homology of real spaces with punctures and the implications of inclusion maps on homology groups.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to compute H_0 and H_1 of the relative homology groups H_*(\mathbb{R}^n, \mathbb{R}^n - p) and questions the nature of the induced maps from inclusion.
  • Another participant points out potential errors in the initial calculations and suggests that there are still mistakes present.
  • A participant asks for clarification on the concept of relative homology, proposing a connection to the homology of one-point compactifications.
  • One participant references a proposition regarding the surjectivity of induced maps from inclusion in the context of fundamental groups and questions its applicability to homology groups.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of their calculations, suggesting that if certain assumptions hold, they can deduce results for higher dimensions based on the case for n=1.
  • There is a request for clarification on notation and consistency in the use of dimensions in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the correctness of calculations and the applicability of certain propositions from homotopy theory to homology theory. There is no consensus on the correctness of the initial claims or the implications of the induced maps.

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Participants note the complexity of combining LaTeX with regular typing, indicating potential for typographical errors in mathematical expressions. The discussion also highlights the need for careful notation to avoid confusion.

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Hi, I'm working on some homology problems but I need help figuring out the induced map from a given map, say f:X\rightarrow Y.

For example, compute H_* (\mathbb{R}, \mathbb{R}^n - p) where p \in \mathbb{R}^n.


So for n=1, we have the long exact sequence
0 \rightarrow H_1(\mathbb{R}^n-p)=0 \rightarrow H_1(\mathbb{R}^n)=0 \rightarrow H_1(\mathbb{R}^n, \mathbb{R}^n-p)
\rightarrow H_0(\mathbb{R}^n-p)=\mathbb{Z}^2 \rightarrow H_0(\mathbb{R}^n)=\mathbb{Z} \rightarrow H_0(\mathbb{R}^n, \mathbb{R}^n-p)\rightarrow 0.

So I got H_1(\mathbb{R}^n, \mathbb{R}^n-p)=\mathbb{Z} but what is H_0(\mathbb{R}^n, \mathbb{R}^n-p)? Is H_0(\mathbb{R}^n, \mathbb{R}^n-p)=\mathbb{Z} or 0? I first thought it was \mathbb{Z} because it's path connected, but I'm not so sure anymore. It's because H_0 (\mathbb{R}^n-p)=\mathbb{Z}^2. So since (\mathbb{R}^n-p) \rightarrow \mathbb{R}^n is an inclusion map, what is the induced map H_0 (\mathbb{R}^n-p) \rightarrow H_0(\mathbb{R}^n)? Is it injective or surjective? If I have this one key information, then I'm sure I can deduce the relative homology groups.


Now for n = 2, we have
0 \rightarrow H_2(\mathbb{R}^n-p)=0 \rightarrow H_2(\mathbb{R}^n)=0 \rightarrow H_2(\mathbb{R}^n, \mathbb{R}^n-p)
\rightarrow H_1(\mathbb{R}^n-p)=\mathbb{Z} \rightarrow H_1(\mathbb{R}^n)=0 \rightarrow H_1(\mathbb{R}^n, \mathbb{R}^n-p)
\rightarrow H_0(\mathbb{R}^n-p)=\mathbb{Z} \rightarrow H_0(\mathbb{R}^n)=\mathbb{Z} \rightarrow H_0(\mathbb{R}^n, \mathbb{R}^n-p)\rightarrow 0..

I know H_2(\mathbb{R}^2, \mathbb{R}^2-p)=\mathbb{Z} but are H_1(\mathbb{R}^2, \mathbb{R}^2-p) and H_0(\mathbb{R}^2, \mathbb{R}^2-p) isomorphic to the integers as well? If so, why?


Again, I think if I understand the following: if f:A\rightarrow X is an inclusion map, is it always true that the induced map must be surjective? Can it be injective as well?

Thank you so much for your help! :smile:
 
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there seem to be a lot of errors here.
 
Hi, sorry. I copied and pasted some of the math fonts, and I see some mistakes now. I'll fix them.

Okay, the mistakes I saw have been fixed. But there are more mistakes I'm sure.
 
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I would really go and check your facts, bham. There still seem to be a lot of errors.
 
please remind me abiout relative homology. is it usually the homology of the space obtained by collapsing the subspace to a point? if so, would that mean that this one i the same as the homology of the one point compactification of R^n? i.e. of an n sphere?
 
Okay, under the fundamental group section on page 50 in Hatcher, I found the following Proposition: if A \rightarrow X is an inclusion map, then the induced map i_*: \pi _1(A) \rightarrow \pi _1 (X) is surjective. The problem was that I couldn't find an analoguous version of the Proposition for homology groups. But if I suppose that this Proposition holds true with homology groups, then for n=1, let

\psi_1: H_1(\mathbb{R}^1)\rightarrow H_1(\mathbb{R}^1, \mathbb{R}^1-p),
\delta_1: H_1(\mathbb{R}^1, \mathbb{R}^1-p)\rightarrow H_0(\mathbb{R}^1-p),
\phi_0: H_0(\mathbb{R}^1-p)\rightarrow H_0(\mathbb{R}^1),
and
\psi_0: H_0(\mathbb{R}^1)\rightarrow H_0(\mathbb{R}^1,\mathbb{R}^1-p ).

Then since n=1, H_1(\mathbb{R}^1)=0 because the real line is contractible.
H_0(\mathbb{R}^1-p)=\mathbb{Z}^2 because the two intervals (-\infty, p) \cup (p,\infty) contracts to two points, and the zeroth homology can be thought of as a union of distinct path components.
Finally, H_0(\mathbb{R}^1)=\mathbb{Z} because the real line contracts to a point and one point is path connected.

Because \psi_1 is the zero map, \delta_1 is injective. So H_1(\mathbb{R}^1, \mathbb{R}^1-p) is isomorphic to im\delta_1 = \ker \phi_0.

Since \mathbb{R}^1-p \rightarrow \mathbb{R}^1 is an inclusion map, the induced map \phi_0 is surjective (I will assume that the homotopy version of the above Proposition holds true with homology groups). So im\phi_0=\mathbb{Z}. So \frac{H_0(\mathbb{R}^1-p)}{\ker\phi_0}=\frac{\mathbb{Z}^2}{\ker\phi_0} is isomorphic to im\phi_0=\mathbb{Z}. So \ker\phi_0=\mathbb{Z}.

Thus H_1(\mathbb{R}^1, \mathbb{R}^n-p)=\mathbb{Z}.

Next, \frac{H_0(\mathbb{R}^1)}{\ker\psi_0} =\frac{\mathbb{Z}}{im\phi_0}=\frac{\mathbb{Z}}{\mathbb{Z}}=0 is isomorphic to im \psi_0 = H_0(\mathbb{R}^1,\mathbb{R}^1-p). So H_0(\mathbb{R}^1,\mathbb{R}^1-p)=0.

As for higer dimensions, I can deduce from the base case.


So matt grime, am I now correct or am I still incorrect? Do theorems for the homotopy theory continue to hold true in homology theory (the only difference is that in homology theory, all groups have been abelianized)?


And mathwonk, yes, it is the homology of the space obtained by collapsing the subspace to a point. But I don't think it's the same as the homology of the one-point compactification of R^n because in that case, we have H_0(S^n)=\mathbb{Z}, H_n(S^n)=\mathbb{Z} and H_j(S^n)=0 for all j different from 0 and n. Matt grime, can you help us out?
 
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that seems better - what you wrote in the first post confused me since, I can now see, you say n=1, but then leave n=n in the working. Please, if you're going to let n=1 use notation like R^1, not R^n to spare me the head scratching.
 
haha... thank you so much for your reply and confirming whether I am right or wrong! It took me 2 hours on Sunday to type everything! Wow... combining LaTeX and regular typing is hard!
 

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