Computing the Thomas Precession: Help from PFers Needed!

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Coelum
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Computing Precession
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The forum discussion centers on the derivation of the Thomas precession as outlined in "Classical Mechanics" by Goldstein, Poole, and Safko. The user, Francesco, successfully computed the matrix L'' (equation 7.18) but encountered discrepancies when approximating it according to equation 7.19 with γ' set to 1. Specifically, Francesco's calculations yielded γ^2 instead of γ in the third row, prompting a request for clarification on this approximation. Another user suggested that to first order in β, γ^2 can be approximated as γ, which is a valid approach in this context.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of classical mechanics principles, particularly the Thomas precession.
  • Familiarity with the Lorentz factor (γ) and its relation to velocity (β).
  • Ability to manipulate and approximate mathematical expressions in physics.
  • Knowledge of matrix operations as applied in physics equations.
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the derivation of the Thomas precession in detail from "Classical Mechanics" by Goldstein, Poole, and Safko.
  • Learn about the properties and applications of the Lorentz factor (γ) in relativistic physics.
  • Explore the concept of approximations in physics, focusing on Taylor series expansions.
  • Review matrix algebra and its applications in classical mechanics problems.
USEFUL FOR

This discussion is beneficial for physics students, educators, and researchers interested in classical mechanics, particularly those studying relativistic effects and the mathematical foundations of motion.

Coelum
Messages
97
Reaction score
32
TL;DR
While computing the transformation matrix associated to Thomas precession - as described by Goldstein (7.3) - I cannot reproduce a step in the derivation.
Dear PFer's,
I am reproducing the steps to derive the expression for the Thomas precession, as described in Goldstein/Poole/Safko "Classical Mechanics". Hereafter an excerpt from the book describing the step I am currently working on.
Screenshot from 2022-08-29 17-35-19.png

I have been able to compute the matrix L'' (eqn. 7.18). However, computing its approximation as described above (eqn 7.19 and γ' = 1), I get a different result:

Screenshot from 2022-08-29 17-38-37.png
.
As you can see, I get γ^2 rather than γ in the third row. I cannot find my mistake and I cannot see how γ can approximate γ^2. Any hint?
Thanks a lot in advance,

Francesco
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Just an idea: to first order in β, γ^2 ≈ γ since γ is quadratic in β. Sort of dirty trick, but formally correct?
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
4K