Concave Up or Down? Identifying Inflection Points in a Polynomial Function

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The discussion focuses on determining the concavity of the polynomial function $$y=3x^5 - 5x^4 - 60x^3 + 80$$ by analyzing its second derivative. Participants explore how to identify inflection points and the intervals of concavity, engaging in mathematical reasoning related to polynomial behavior.

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  • One participant presents the polynomial and its derivatives, asking for intervals of concavity and inflection points.
  • Another participant factors the second derivative and identifies the roots, suggesting that the sign of the second derivative will alternate across the intervals defined by these roots.
  • A subsequent reply provides the signs of the second derivative across the identified intervals, indicating where the function is concave up and down.
  • Another participant confirms the signs in the intervals and provides a method to verify the concavity by testing values within the intervals.
  • One participant expresses a preference for not relying on technology for visualizing the function's behavior.
  • A later reply acknowledges the helpfulness of the previous contributions while also commenting on the presentation of information.

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Participants generally agree on the method of determining concavity and the identification of inflection points, but there is no explicit consensus on the final conclusions regarding the intervals of concavity.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of the polynomial based on the properties of its derivatives, but does not resolve all uncertainties regarding the interpretation of the results.

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Determine the intervals on which $$y=3x^5 - 5x^4 - 60x^3 + 80$$
$$y'=15{x}^{4}-20{x}^{3}-180{x}^{2}$$
$$y''=60{x}^{3}-60{x}^{2}-360x$$
$$y''\left(0\right)=-2,0,3$$

Is concave up or concave down, identity inflection points. Mutiple choiceA. The function is concave up on___ and concave down on____B. The function is concave up on__C. The function is concave down on___

From observation don't see any concave up, but there is a slope of zero on $y$
 
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Factoring the second derivative (which you correctly computed), we find:

$$y''(x)=60x(x+2)(x-3)$$

And so you have also correctly identified the roots of the second derivative. Now, because each of these roots is of odd multiplicity, we know the sign of $y''$ will alternate across all 4 intervals the 3 roots make in the domain of $y$, and so we know there will be an inflection point at each root. (Why do we know this?)

So, what you want to do is compute the sign of $y''$ within anyone of the intervals, and then fill in the rest, knowing they must alternate. Then you can state that $y$ is concave up in the positive intervals and concave down in the negative intervals. We know then that there will be 2 intervals on which $y$ is concave up and 2 intervals on which $y$ is concave down.

Can you proceed?
 
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So from the intervals of
$$\left(-\infty, - 2\right)$$ the sign is -
$$\left(-2 , 0\right)$$ the sign is +
$$\left(0 , 3\right)$$ the sign is -
$$\left(3 , \infty\right)$$ the sign is +
I hope

Is there any to change line types on Desmos, colors still are hard to distinguish
 
I wouldn't turn to technology for this...we have the intervals:

$$(-\infty,-2),\,(-2,0),\,(0,3),\,(3,\infty)$$

Given that:

$$y''(x)=60x(x+2)(x-3)$$

If we check the rightmost interval with an $x$ value in that interval (say $x=4$), then the signs of the factors will be:

(+)(+)(+) = +

So, we know the sign in the rightmost interval is positive, thus we must have (letting them alternate):

$$(3,\infty)\implies +$$

$$(0,3)\implies -$$

$$(-2,0)\implies +$$

$$(-\infty,-2)\implies -$$
 
sorry just thought the table was cute

but your input was very helpful
 

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