Concavity and the 2nd Derivative Test: Finding Maximum Deflection

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The discussion revolves around the problem of finding the maximum deflection of a beam described by the equation $$D=2x^4-5Lx^3+3L^2x^2$$, where $$x$$ is the distance from one end of the beam and $$L$$ is the constant length of the beam. Participants explore the application of the second derivative test and concavity in this context.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the presence of two variables, $$x$$ and $$L$$, and expresses uncertainty about how to proceed, suggesting implicit differentiation might be necessary.
  • Another participant clarifies that $$L$$ is a constant and suggests computing the first derivative $$D'(x)$$ to find critical values within the range $$[0,L]$$.
  • A third participant reiterates that $$L$$ is a constant and emphasizes that the maximum occurs when the first derivative equals zero, indicating a parallel tangent to the x-axis.
  • One participant calculates the first derivative $$D'$$ and finds critical points, including $$x=0$$ and two other values derived from the quadratic formula.
  • The second derivative $$D''$$ is computed, and one participant evaluates it at one of the critical points to determine concavity.
  • A later reply confirms the correctness of the previous calculations and suggests discarding the critical value that exceeds $$L$$, as it falls outside the relevant domain.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to finding the maximum deflection, but there is initial uncertainty regarding the treatment of $$L$$ as a variable versus a constant. The discussion remains focused on the calculations and interpretations of the derivatives without reaching a consensus on the initial confusion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of treating $$L$$ as a variable, which may affect the interpretation of the problem. The discussion includes various steps in the differentiation process, but not all mathematical steps are fully resolved or agreed upon.

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this is a problem in the topic of Concavity and the second Derivative Test

The deflection $$D$$ of a beam of length $$L$$ is

$$D=2x^4-5Lx^3+3L^2x^2$$,

where $$x$$ is the distance from one end of the beam.

Find the value of $$x$$ that yields the maximum deflection

The answer to this is $$x=\Bigg(\frac{15-\sqrt{33}}{16}\Bigg)L \approx 0.578L$$

well first of all this equation has 2 variables in x and L so not sure what to do perhaps implicit differentiation. also the answer looks it came from a quadratic formula

so not to sure what the first step is.
 
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Re: beam deflection

The length of the beam $L$ is a constant.

So what you want to do is compute $D'(x)$ to determine the critical values in the range:

$$[0,L]$$

and then evaluate $D''(x)$ at these critical values, looking for negative values, i.e., concave down, and hence a maximum.

Can you proceed?
 
Re: beam deflection

L is not a variable its a constant as length is constant and hence you can go for first derivative which is equal to slope.it is maximum when tangent comes parallel to x-axis so = '0' and proceed, you might have mistook L as variable
 
Re: beam deflection

$$D'=8x^3-15Lx^2+6L^2x$$
$$=x(8x^2-15Lx+6)=0$$

so $$x=0$$
or $$\frac{15L\pm \sqrt{33}L}{16}$$
$$=\left(\frac{15 \pm \sqrt{33}}{16}\right) L$$
$$=0.5784L$$ or $$1.2965L$$

so $$D'' = 24x^2-30Lx+6L^2$$

$$D''(0.5784L)>0 $$ so max is $$0.5784L$$
 
Yes, good work! (Yes)

You can discard the critical value that is greater than $L$, since this is outside the relevant domain of $$x\in[0,L]$$.
 

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