Concepts or technique for Precalc self-study?

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The discussion centers around the best approach for self-studying precalculus in preparation for an upcoming course. Participants explore the merits of using older, more rigorous textbooks from the 1960s versus modern precalculus texts, considering factors such as depth of understanding, problem-solving techniques, and the importance of learning proofs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a preference for modern precalculus texts due to their comprehensive problem sets and relevance to current educational standards.
  • Another participant argues that older texts provide a more rigorous treatment of topics, although they may have narrower scopes and smaller problem sets.
  • A participant questions the necessity of learning to write proofs at the precalculus level and whether to prioritize proof skills or precalculus concepts in self-study.
  • Some participants suggest that understanding concepts deeply is more beneficial than merely practicing calculations, advocating for a theoretical approach to precalculus.
  • Others mention specific textbooks, including "How to Prove It" by Velleman and "Algebra and Trigonometry" by Young, as valuable resources for developing proof skills and understanding mathematical concepts.
  • One participant shares their experience with Sullivan's Precalculus 8th edition, noting its organization and structure, while another confirms its focus on computation and problem-solving.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the value of modern versus older textbooks, with no consensus reached on which approach is superior for self-study. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the balance between learning proofs and precalculus concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the evolving nature of educational content and the potential limitations of older texts in covering contemporary topics. There is also uncertainty about the appropriate level of rigor and theoretical understanding expected in precalculus.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals preparing for precalculus courses, educators seeking textbook recommendations, and students interested in developing proof skills and conceptual understanding in mathematics.

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I'm going to be taking a precalculus course in the fall. I'd like to be as prepared as possible for it so that I will be able to get as much out of the class as possible. I have access to a variety of textbooks, some are rather rigourous Precalc texts from the 60s and some are the "modern" precalculus texts from 1990-present. I plan on starting my self study now this semester in my free time and all through the summer. Here is how I see it: the 1960s texts are obviously better because of their rigourous treatment of the topics, however-- their problem sets are small and their list of topics are narrow. The modern precalculus texts have huge problem sets and are probably better for learning technique. Also I've never even had trig yet. I'm not sure which I should go with for my self study.

Do I use the modern precalc text and learn the fundamentals of technique? Or do I use the 1960s text and understand the concepts more thoroughly? I cannot make up my mind! Someone help me!
 
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Use the modern text. The main fault with an old text is that standard elementary topics change over time rather rapidly, and you won't get all that you need out of an old book, not to mention that you'll learn a whole lot in excess that you'll never need because of narrow scope.

I'm not quite sure how you would make precalculus any more rigorous than it is in modern classrooms, except by making it more theoretical and less based on problem-solving. The thing is, with many modern treatments, a theoretical derivation is often included, although not used by the teacher. I remember looking back at my calculus textbook a while ago and seeing proofs of all of the theorems, and thinking to myself, "Where did all these proofs come from? We never did these in class!"
 
What 60s book are you referring to?
 
Just to name a few:

University Algebra and Trigonometry - Howard Taylor and Thomas Wade
Principles of Mathematics - Carl Allendoefer
Modern Algebra & Trigonometry - Elbridge Vance
Fields and Functions - Crayton Bedford
An Elementary Approach to Functions - Korn Liberi

A couple may actually be from the early 70s. Anyways how important is it that I be able to right proofs at the precalculus level? Should I be spending my self-study time learning how to right proofs and learn the precalc later in class this fall? Ort should I do just the opposite? I'm just not sure what the right move is. I am torn between the two options. Help!
 
Go with the rigorous ones. You can easily learn precalc in class. Most students don't even use textbooks when learning precalc, it is that shallow. You will get hit hard in college if you don't know how to write proofs, and as it is a difficult skill to develop, you would do wonders starting out now. University will ASSUME you can write basic proofs at the level of geometry or basic number theory (see Niven).

I am not familiar with any of your books except Alendeofer. Your free time should be spent on developing proof skills if you intend to pursue a math major. School will prepare you in terms of calculation and technique. Other titles I recommend at your level are as follows:

How to Prove It - Velleman
Numbers: Rational and Irrational - Niven
Trigonometry - Gelfand
Geometry Revisited - Coexeter

phreak said:
Use the modern text. The main fault with an old text is that standard elementary topics change over time rather rapidly, and you won't get all that you need out of an old book, not to mention that you'll learn a whole lot in excess that you'll never need because of narrow scope.

I'm not quite sure how you would make precalculus any more rigorous than it is in modern classrooms, except by making it more theoretical and less based on problem-solving. The thing is, with many modern treatments, a theoretical derivation is often included, although not used by the teacher. I remember looking back at my calculus textbook a while ago and seeing proofs of all of the theorems, and thinking to myself, "Where did all these proofs come from? We never did these in class!"
Yes, but he can save that for class. Modern texts tend to be a shallow coverage of a lot of topics, more suited towards engineers than mathies. I think I'd rather see him understand what a logarithm is for instance than to have extra practice in performing calculations in it. And you can make precalc quite theoretical, studying various properties of functions such as odd/even and periodicity. The nature of the questions in books like Gelfand for example is more akin to what you'd see in a book like Spivak. Modern precalc books assume you will be learning calculus out of stewart or something.
 
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I have the Velleman book. I'll have to see if I can get those two other texts you mentioned. Any other advice?
 
Does anyone have opinions about Sullivan's Precalculus 8th edition? I found the book to be nicely organized. It had it's own syllabus, and before each section it would tell you the prerequisites before starting the new section (and the prerequisites are contained in the book).

But this is coming from a newbie high school drop out, so I can't recommend it with confidence.
 
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Sullivan is a modern precalculus book. Focuses on computation and problem solving, with a tiny bit a theory sprinked in it.
 
Sullivan is good. I used it. Another one is "Algebra and Trigonometry" By Young.
 

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