Conclusion about wave propagation in SR given L dot S = N = L' dot S'

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The discussion revolves around wave propagation in special relativity (SR) and the implications of the relationship L dot S = N = L' dot S' across different reference frames. Participants are exploring the interpretation of this relationship and its consequences for understanding wave behavior in Minkowski spacetime.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

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  • Participants are attempting to interpret the equation L dot delta S = L' dot delta S' = N and its implications for wave propagation. There are discussions about the consistency of wave vector components across frames and the potential pitfalls of applying classical notions of flux to relativistic contexts.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning their interpretations and the implications of Lorentz transformations on wave vectors. Some guidance has been offered regarding the covariant nature of the equations, but there is no explicit consensus on the conclusions drawn from the initial problem statement.

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Participants are grappling with the application of Lorentz transformations and the interpretation of scalar quantities in different frames. There is mention of potential confusion regarding the correct formulation of the equations involved.

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The problem I am having is "What can you conclude about wave prorogation in SR given the results?". The best I can come up with is that the number of wave planes N crossing a section of spacetime in either frame is the same. The section may be bigger or smaller depending on which frame you're in but there's always N waves crossing regardless of which frame you're in.

I'm using intuitive 3-space notions of flux and applying it to minkowski spacetime and that may very well be a mistake.

Any hints on how to interpret L dot delta s = L' dot \delta s' = N?

Thank you in advanced for any help.
 
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I think we can conclude (assuming S' is obtained from S through a Lorentz boost in the x-direction)

##L_0 c \Delta t = L'_0 \Delta t' , L_1 \Delta x = L'_1 \Delta x', L_2 \Delta y = L'_2 \Delta y', L_3 \Delta z = L'_3 \Delta z'##

Concentrating on the last 3 statements I think this result says that the component of the wave vector along the observation direction is the same in both frames. More details to follow.
 
My previous post is definitely wrong. I think the answer is trivial...we were asked to show that L' can be obtained from L via a Lorentz transform and then what we could conclude from that. I think the answer is obvious (and kind of trivial)...only the component of the wave vector along the boost direction changes. That's the definition of a lorentz transform.

unless I was supposed to interpret L \dot S = L' \dot S' = N instead. I'm going to email my instructor and ask about this.
 
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I asked my instructor said "the response is that the equation keeps the same form in any coordinate system. So it is written in covariant form including invariance to Lorentz transformations".

I'll have to think about all that.
 
I guess the interpretation is that L dot \delta S is a true Lorentz scalar.
 

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