Condensation points in a separable metric space and the Cantor-Bendixon Theorem

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The discussion revolves around an exercise from Baby Rudin concerning the Cantor-Bendixon Theorem applied to separable metric spaces. The original poster explores whether their approach to partitioning subsets of a separable metric space into perfect and at most countable sets is valid, given that it diverges from the typical constraints of closed subsets in complete spaces.

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  • The original poster outlines their reasoning through a series of steps, questioning the validity of their conclusion that any subset of a separable metric space can be expressed as a union of a perfect set and a countable set. They express uncertainty about whether their result is too general compared to the constraints presented in Rudin's exercise.

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Participants are engaged in examining the original poster's reasoning, with some noting potential errors in their logic. The discussion is active, with the original poster reflecting on their thought process and acknowledging a mistake in their reasoning regarding the containment of sets.

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The original poster references specific definitions and theorems relevant to metric spaces, such as separability, second countability, and the concept of condensation points. They also highlight the importance of the conditions set forth in Rudin's exercise, which may influence the validity of their broader claim.

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EDIT: I figured out my error, so don't worry about reading through all of this unless you find it an interesting problem[/size]

Homework Statement


This is Baby Rudin's exercise 2.27:

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Instead of proving for R^k, I did it for an arbitrary separable metric space X, as outlined by professor George Bergman in his exercises to supplement Baby Rudin (http://math.berkeley.edu/~gbergman/ug.hndts/m104_Rudin_exs.ps).

Here is what Bergman specifically says:
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I don't so much want a solution as I do an answer as to whether I messed up a step somewhere, since my result implies a more general form of the Cantor-Bendixon Theorem; namely, any subset of a separable metric space can be partitioned into two disjoint sets, one of which is perfect and the other at most countable. I have always seen it stated only for closed subsets of complete separable spaces, but I never used the fact that the subset was closed nor that the space was complete in my answer, so I think I may be wrong.

Homework Equations


A metric space is separable if it contains an at most countable dense subset.
The concept of a base of a metric space (defined in post below)
A metric space is second countable if it has an at most countable base
Lindelof's Theorem
A set is perfect if it is closed and contains no isolated point.

The Attempt at a Solution



Here's the way I approached it. I'll just do an outline in this post, and then post my work for each step in the following posts. X will be a separable metric space, E will be an uncountable subset of X, and P will be the set of condensation points of E in X.

1) Since X is separable, X is second countable (e.g., it has an at most countable base).
2) Since X is a second countable metric space, every open cover of E has an at most countable subcover (Lindelof's Theorem).
3) P, the set of condensation points of E, is closed.
4) Every uncountable subset of a separable metric space has uncountably many condensation points.
5) P has no isolated point.
6) P is perfect.
7) If E is uncountable, then E\P, the set of all non-condensation points of E, is at most countable.
8) Hence, E is the union of the disjoint sets P and E\P, where P is perfect and E\P is at most countable.[/color] (whoops... messed up here)
9) Therefore, every subset of a separable metric space is the union of a (possibly empty) perfect set and a set which is at most countable.
 
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1) Since X is separable, X is second countable (e.g., it has an at most countable base).

Here's the definition of a base:

[PLAIN]http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5992/basezy.png

Here's my proof of this result (I'll post an image instead of re-writing the LaTeX source, since I use a lot of user-defined commands in my LaTeX code):

[PLAIN]http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4599/foozc.png

Note I also proved a second countable metric space is separable, but didn't post that part since it's not relevant here.
 
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2) Since X is a second countable metric space, every open cover of one of E has an at most countable subcover (Lindelof's Theorem).

[PLAIN]http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/7428/fooy.png
 
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3) P, the set of condensation points of E, is closed.

[PLAIN]http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7899/foot.png
 
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4) Every uncountable subset of a separable metric space has uncountably many condensation points.

[PLAIN]http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9003/fooa.png
 
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5) P has no isolated point.
6) P is perfect

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7) If E is uncountable, then E\P, the set of all non-condensation points of E, is at most countable.

[PLAIN]http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/9840/foob.png
 
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8) Hence, E is the union of the disjoint sets P and E\P, where P is perfect and E\P is at most countable, from 7).
 
9) Therefore, every subset of a separable metric space is the union of a (possibly empty) perfect set and a set which is at most countable.

[PLAIN]http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/7880/foohks.png
 
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I ask because it seems too general, considering Rudin asks the reader to prove the result #9) under the constraint that the subset is closed. Is my result wrong, or did Rudin just want the reader to prove an easier version? Knowing Rudin and his problems, I'm leaning towards the former. Thanks in advance!
 
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One more note on notation:

B_r(x) means the open ball of radius r, centered at point x.

e.g.,

B_r(x) = \{y \in X\ | \ d(y,x) < r\}
 
  • #12
Eh, never mind. I made a stupid mistake in part 8). P is contained in the set of limit points of E, which is contained in E when E is closed. LOL @ me being tripped up by the easiest part of the problem. At least my intuition that Rudin wouldn't let the reader get away with proving a lesser version of a theorem was dead on.
 
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