Conditional Probability, Additive Signals

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The discussion revolves around the problem of finding the conditional density function of a signal transmitted through an additive Gaussian noise channel. Participants explore the implications of the given density function for the signal and the characteristics of the noise, focusing on the mathematical approach to derive the conditional density.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem involving a random variable signal with a specific density function and expresses confusion about how to proceed with the convolution of the signal and noise.
  • Another participant suggests calculating the conditional cumulative distribution function and differentiating it to obtain the density, indicating a possible interpretation of the Gaussian noise channel.
  • A different participant proposes using the joint density of the convolution to derive the conditional probability, although they admit uncertainty about the details of the integration process.
  • Another contribution outlines a working principle that involves finding the distribution of the output and subsequently the conditional distribution of the signal given the output.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying approaches to the problem, and there is no consensus on a single method to derive the conditional density function. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on how to proceed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential complexities in interpreting the Gaussian noise channel and the convolution process, but do not resolve these issues. There are also mentions of assumptions regarding independence and the nature of the random variables involved.

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A signal, X, is a random variable with the following density function:
<br /> f_{X}(x) = \begin{cases}<br /> \frac{3}{25}(x-5)^2, &amp; 0 \le x \le 5\\<br /> 0, &amp; otherwise<br /> \end{cases}<br />

The signal is transmitted through an additive Gaussian noise channel, where the Gaussian noise has a mean of 0 and a variance of 4. The signal and noise are independent.

Find an expression for the conditional density function of the signal, given the observation of the output.

Obviously, this is a homework assignment, so I don't want it done for me; however, I am confused. Perhaps I am just confused by the problem or the wording, but I am totally stuck on what to do.

I believe the output signal should be a convolution where Z = X + Y, and Y is the gaussian(0, 2). After I solve the convolution and receive Z, I don't know what to do.
 
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My guess is that you need to solve for the conditional cumulative distribution F(w,y) = P(X + Y \le w | Y = y) = P(X \le w - y | Y = y). Then differentiate with respect to w to get the density. (I think you interpreted "gaussian noise channel" correctly in the context of the problem, but I think it has an interpretation as a continuous stochastic process in other contexts.)
 
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If g(X,Y) is joint density of the convolution X + Y, can you set Y = y and integrate symbolically with respect to X from minus infinity to w-y to obtain P(X \le w -y| Y = y)? (I haven't worked the details out, so I don't know.)
 
If output (Z)= noise(Y) + signal (X) then the following is the working principle:
Find the distribution of Z.
Then from the joint distribution Z and X find the distribution X|Z.
 

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