Conditional probability problem - good solution?

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The problem involves conditional probability with a scenario of drawing products from a box containing new and used items. The original poster presents two parts: calculating the probability of drawing at least one new product in two draws, both with and without certain conditions affecting the first draw.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate probabilities based on different scenarios of drawing products, using conditional probabilities and considering various outcomes. Some participants question the handling of conditions in the second part of the problem, particularly regarding the exclusion of certain outcomes.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided feedback on the original poster's calculations, indicating that the first part appears correct while suggesting adjustments for the second part to account for known conditions. There is an ongoing clarification regarding the interpretation of the tilde symbol and its implications for the probabilities being calculated.

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Participants note the need to adjust probabilities to ensure they sum to one under the given conditions, specifically addressing the exclusion of one outcome from the calculations. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the adjustments and the meaning of certain symbols used in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


We have 6 new and 4 used products in a box.
We draw randomly 2 products and used them for a while. then return them back into the box.
After that, again we draw 2 products.

a) What is probability that at least one is new?
b) What is probability that at least one is new if we found out that in first draw two used were not drawn out.

The Attempt at a Solution


a)
A={ we drawn out 2 used products in second draw}
H1={ we drawn out 2 new products in first draw}
H2={ we drawn out 1 new and 1 used product in first draw}
H3={ we drawn out 1 used and 1 new product in first draw}
H4={ we drawn out 2 used product in first draw}

P(H1)=6/10 * 5/9 = 1/3
P(H2)=6/10 * 4/9 = 24/90
P(H3)=4/10 * 6/9 = 24/90
P(H4)=4/10 * 3/9 = 12/90

P(A|H1)=6/10 * 5/9 = 1/3
P(A|H2)=5/10 * 4/9 = 2/9
P(A|H3)=4/10 * 5/9 = 2/9
P(A|H4)=4/10 * 3/9= 12/90

P(A) = 1/3 * 1/3 + 24/90 * 2/9 + 24/90 * 2/9 + 12/90 * 12/90
P(A) = 0.24

P(at least one new) = 1- P(A) = 0.76

b)
A={ we drawn out 2 used products in second draw}
H1={ we drawn out 2 new products in first draw}
H2={ we drawn out 1 new and 1 used product in first draw}
H3={ we drawn out 1 used and 1 new product in first draw}

P(H1)=6/10 * 5/9 = 1/3
P(H2)=6/10 * 4/9 = 24/90
P(H3)=4/10 * 6/9 = 24/90

P(A|H1)=6/10 * 5/9 = 1/3
P(A|H2)=5/10 * 4/9 = 2/9
P(A|H3)=4/10 * 5/9 = 2/9

P(A) = 1/9 + 2/9 * 24/90 + 2/9 * 24/90
P(A) = 0.2296

P(at least one new) = 1- P(A) = 0.7703Is this correct solution?
My apologies if bad english, and if unpractical in absence of latex.

Thanks!
 
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The first part looks good since you covered all possibilities.
On the second part, your scale factor for the condition has to account for the fact you know that H4 didn't happen. So you need to multiply by a factor so that P(H1|~H4) + P(H2|~H4) + P(H3|~H4) = 1. Then you can multiply what you found for P(A|H1), etc. by that scaling factor. This will ensure you are preserving the known information.
 
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RUber said:
The first part looks good since you covered all possibilities.
On the second part, your scale factor for the condition has to account for the fact you know that H4 didn't happen. So you need to multiply by a factor so that P(H1|~H4) + P(H2|~H4) + P(H3|~H4) = 1. Then you can multiply what you found for P(A|H1), etc. by that scaling factor. This will ensure you are preserving the known information.
I am not sure I understand exactly.
I am supposed to find factor which preserves P(H1|~H4) + P(H2|~H4) + P(H3|~H4) = 1 and later on multiply every P(A|H1) with it.
What does tilda ~ means?
 
The tilde means "not"
Essentially, you know that H4 didn't happen. So the sum of the other probabilities has to add up to 1. As it stands, your probabilities for H1 to H3 sum to 78/90=13/15, so if you multiplied each one by 15/13, they would sum to one. Then use that scaled probability for the calculation of P(A).
 
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RUber said:
The tilde means "not"
Essentially, you know that H4 didn't happen. So the sum of the other probabilities has to add up to 1. As it stands, your probabilities for H1 to H3 sum to 78/90=13/15, so if you multiplied each one by 15/13, they would sum to one. Then use that scaled probability for the calculation of P(A).
Oh I get it now. Thanks!
 
diracdelta said:
P(A) = 1/3 * 1/3 + 24/90 * 2/9 + 24/90 * 2/9 + 12/90 * 12/90
P(A) = 0.24
I make it closer to 0.25.
 

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