Conductivity of saltwater dielectric vs current

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between the conductivity of saltwater and the current output in an experimental setup involving aluminum electrodes. Participants explore the implications of changing conductivity on current, referencing Ohm's law and discussing potential issues with experimental procedure and equipment.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant hypothesizes that higher conductivity should lead to higher current output, based on the relationship between conductivity, resistance, and current as described by Ohm's law.
  • Another participant questions the methodology, asking for clarification on how conductivity was altered and what equipment was used.
  • Concerns are raised about the proper setup of the current measuring device, with suggestions that the ammeter may have been incorrectly connected.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about their ability to assist, suggesting that the original experimenters double-check their setup and measurements.
  • A later reply indicates that the issue may have been a simple oversight regarding the ammeter's battery, which could affect measurements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that increasing conductivity should lead to an increase in current, as per Ohm's law. However, the original experimenters observed a decrease in current with increased conductivity, leading to uncertainty and exploration of potential errors in their setup.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings of equipment operation, the need for clarification on experimental setup, and unresolved questions about the specific measurements taken during the experiments.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in experimental physics, electrical engineering, or those conducting similar experiments involving conductivity and current measurements.

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My partner and i have been running experiments for our research in micro algae separation, using a reactor containing aluminum electrodes. we run a 10v current across the electrodes, and flow saltwater between them. we were wondering how changing the conductivity of the saltwater might affect the current output, so we decided to test it. our hypothesis was that the higher the conductivity, the higher the resultant current. we thought this, because conductivity is measured as the inverse of resistance in a solution, and current can be written as I = V/R, so we figure if conductivity = 1/R, the higher the conductivity would mean the lower the resistance which would in turn translate to higher current. when running the experiments, however, we seemed to find the opposite affect. the current dropped rather linearly as we increased the conductivity of the water. do you think we were dealing with faulty equipment/procedure, or that our understanding of what's going on is flawed? wouldn't be terribly surprised if the answer is both.
 
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You're sure you increase the conductivity of the saltwater, not decreased it? How did you alter the water's conductivity? What electrical equipment did you use in your setup?
 
Drakkith said:
You're sure you increase the conductivity of the saltwater, not decreased it? How did you alter the water's conductivity? What electrical equipment did you use in your setup?
we measured the conductivity of the saltwater using a conductivity/pH measuring device. not sure of the brand or model. we increased the conductivity by increasing the concentration of the salt in the solution
 
psuedoben said:
we measured the conductivity of the saltwater using a conductivity/pH measuring device. not sure of the brand or model. we increased the conductivity by increasing the concentration of the salt in the solution
We use an HP power supply unit
 
Alright. How did you measure the current?
 
Drakkith said:
Alright. How did you measure the current?
not sure of the model, if that's of concern i can check tomorrow when I'm next in the lab, but we use a current meter that is hooked up to the wires supplying the voltage
 
Well, I'm not sure I can personally help you. I haven't performed this particular experiment before. If you haven't already, I'd be sure to double check everything, including your setup and measurements, and make sure you didn't make a simple mistake somewhere.
 
Drakkith said:
Well, I'm not sure I can personally help you. I haven't performed this particular experiment before. If you haven't already, I'd be sure to double check everything, including your setup and measurements, and make sure you didn't make a simple mistake somewhere.
we'll be sure to do that, thanks! just out of curiosity, what would you personally expect to happen when the conductivity is increased?
 
I'd expect your current to increase. Since you're supposedly keeping the applied voltage the same, increasing the conductivity decreases resistance which should increase the current according to Ohm's law.

Like I said, I'd double check everything and make sure you understand how your equipment works. I know I had issues in my physics class because we didn't know how the equipment was working and interacting with everything (especially the laptop we used). Once we realized what was going on we were able to correct for it.
 
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psuedoben said:
not sure of the model, if that's of concern i can check tomorrow when I'm next in the lab, but we use a current meter that is hooked up to the wires supplying the voltage

that doesn't really answer Drakkith's Q

show us a drawing/photo of your setup ... you didn't really tell us how you connected the ammeterDave
 
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davenn said:
show us a drawing/photo of your setup ... you didn't really tell us how you connected the ammeter

Indeed. This may be explained by having the ammeter in parallel instead of in series with the circuit.
 
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Drakkith said:
I'd expect your current to increase. Since you're supposedly keeping the applied voltage the same, increasing the conductivity decreases resistance which should increase the current according to Ohm's law.

Like I said, I'd double check everything and make sure you understand how your equipment works. I know I had issues in my physics class because we didn't know how the equipment was working and interacting with everything (especially the laptop we used). Once we realized what was going on we were able to correct for it.
awesome, thanks again. appreciate you taking your time to help. we'll be sure to spend some time focusing on the
Drakkith said:
I'd expect your current to increase. Since you're supposedly keeping the applied voltage the same, increasing the conductivity decreases resistance which should increase the current according to Ohm's law.

Like I said, I'd double check everything and make sure you understand how your equipment works. I know I had issues in my physics class because we didn't know how the equipment was working and interacting with everything (especially the laptop we used). Once we realized what was going on we were able to correct for it.
I appreciate both of your help. i went in the lab today, and as embarrassing as this may sound, found that the issue was as simple as the batteries in the ammeter needing to be replaced..
 
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