Confirming Uncertainty: Electromagnetic Fields in Hilbert Space

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the representation of particles and electromagnetic fields in Hilbert and Fock spaces within the context of quantum field theory. It explores the mathematical frameworks used to describe these entities and their interactions.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a particle like an electron is represented by a single normed vector in Hilbert space, while an electromagnetic field is represented by an uncountably infinite number of vectors across space and time.
  • Another participant counters that, according to quantum field theory, particles are excitations of quantum fields, with photons being excitations of the electromagnetic field and electrons being excitations of the electron field.
  • A question is raised about whether the electromagnetic field and the electron field are represented by Hilbert spaces or Fock spaces.
  • A participant asserts that they are represented by rays in Fock space, which is described as an infinite product of Hilbert spaces.
  • There is a query regarding the equivalence of a ray in Fock space and a Fock state, referencing an external source for clarification.
  • A later response confirms that a ray is indeed an equivalence class of vectors and that the term "state" can be used interchangeably in certain contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the representation of particles and fields, with no consensus reached on the specifics of these representations or the terminology used.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the mathematical structures involved, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions and properties of Fock states and their relationship to rays in Fock space.

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I think this is right, but could someone confirm (or deny) this for me?

While a particle like an electron - or a finite set of particles for that matter - is represented by a single normed vector in Hilbert space which is acted on by operators such as ones for energy, position and momentum, an electromagnetic field is represented by an uncountably infinite number of such vectors, one at every point in space and time, each of which are acted on by operators such as energy, electric field strength (and direction) and magnetic field strength (and direction).
 
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Not quite. According to quantum field theory, each particle is an excitation of a more fundamental object -- the quantum field. In this view, photons are seen as the excitations of the electromagnetic field. The same is true for electrons -- they are excitations of the electron field that carries an infinite number of degrees of freedom, just like the EM field.
 
Are the EM field and the electron field represented by Hilbert spaces? Fock spaces?
 
They are represented by rays in Fock space, where a Fock space is just an infinite product of Hilbert spaces.
 
basically yes;

a ray {v} is the equivalence class of all vectors v, w, ... with w=cv where c is a non-zero but otherwise arbitrary compex number; if you can normalize all vectors (e.g. for the harmonic oscillator) "state" is certainly enough
 

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