Conformal Spacetime: Paths of Photons & Massive Particles

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The discussion centers on the properties of paths taken by photons and massive particles in conformally flat spacetime, particularly in the context of general relativity (GR). Participants explore the implications of conformal transformations on the causal structure of spacetime and the physical differences between conformally flat and flat spacetimes.

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  • One participant questions the nature of coordinate transformations, asserting they are not conformal (angle preserving).
  • Another participant states that conformal transformations preserve the causal structure of spacetime, suggesting that light paths remain unchanged in conformally flat spaces compared to Minkowski space.
  • A participant elaborates on the geodesic equations for massive particles in conformal spacetime, indicating that their paths differ from those in flat spacetime, particularly in how they are influenced by the function \(\kappa\).
  • It is noted that if \(\kappa = 0\), the geodesic equations revert to those of Minkowski spacetime, highlighting the dependence of particle paths on the conformal factor.
  • Discussion includes the significance of conformal transformations for representing infinity in diagrams while maintaining the causal structure of the original spacetime.
  • Another participant describes the physical implications of conformally flat spacetimes, emphasizing the condition of the Weyl tensor vanishing for a spacetime to be conformally flat.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of coordinate transformations and their implications for conformal spacetime. While some agree on the preservation of causal structure, others challenge the assumptions made about transformations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the full implications of conformal versus flat spacetime.

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The discussion involves complex mathematical formulations and assumptions about the nature of spacetime metrics. There are unresolved aspects regarding the specific conditions under which conformal transformations apply and the implications for different types of particles.

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Dear all,

In flat conformal space-time,

e.g. \quad g_{\alpha \beta} = e^{4\kappa} \eta_{\alpha \beta}

where \kappa is some function of space-time coordinates.

What sort of paths do photons and massive particles follow? Could anyone describe their paths with some analagy or a picture? What is the difference between conformally flat space-time and flat space-time physically?

Moreover, if the space-time is only conformal but not flat, what does this mean physically? Why is conformal /conformal flat space-time useful in GR?
 
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Coordinate transformations on spacetime are not conformal (angle preserving). Why would you think they are?
 
My understanding is:

Conformal transformations of the metric preserve the causal structure of spacetime, so the paths of light rays are unchanged. Conformally flat spaces will therefore have the same light cone structure as Minkowski space.

One of the reasons conformal transformations of spacetime are useful is to "bring in" infinity so that it can be represented on a diagram (Penrose diagram/Carter diagram or whatever), but the causal structure of the diagram is identical to that of the original spacetime.
 
sheaf said:
My understanding is:

Conformal transformations of the metric preserve the causal structure of spacetime, so the paths of light rays are unchanged. Conformally flat spaces will therefore have the same light cone structure as Minkowski space.

This is correct.

wam_mi said:
Dear all,

In flat conformal space-time,

e.g. \quad g_{\alpha \beta} = e^{4\kappa} \eta_{\alpha \beta}

where \kappa is some function of space-time coordinates.

What sort of paths do photons and massive particles follow?

Photons would simply have the same path as if they were to travel in a Minkowski spacetime. This can be easily proven in the metric you're giving as an example and I suppose you know how to prove it. But in case of massive particles, I have to prove how their paths undergo some change and in fact show how massive particles move along time-like curves. In the following, I take s to be the affine parameter of the time-like curves followed by particles and for simplicity I also take \kappa to be a function of the coordinate x in Cartesian coordinates x^{\alpha}:=(t,x,y,z). The line element is

ds^2=e^{4\kappa(x)}dt^2-e^{4\kappa(x)}(dx^2+dy^2+dz^2).

This can be written as

e^{-4\kappa}=\dot{t}^2-(\dot{x}^2+\dot{y}^2+\dot{z}^2),

where the overdots represent differentiation wrt s. Now working this into the Euler-Lagrangian equations gives the 4 geodesic equations:

\frac{d}{ds}(2\dot{t}e^{4\kappa})=0,
-\frac{d}{ds}(2\dot{x}e^{4\kappa})=4\frac{d\kappa}{ds}e^{4\kappa}[\dot{t}^2-(\dot{x}^2+\dot{y}^2+\dot{z}^2)]=4\frac{d\kappa}{ds},
-\frac{d}{ds}(2\dot{y}e^{4\kappa})=0,
-\frac{d}{ds}(2\dot{z}e^{4\kappa})=0.

Using \dot{\kappa}=\frac{d\kappa}{dt}\dot{t} the first of these 4 equations can be rewritten as

\ddot{t}+4\dot{t}\dot{x}\frac{d\kappa}{dt}=0. (*)

Now from this and that

\ddot{x}=\dot{\left(\frac{dx}{dt}\dot{t}\right)}=\ddot{t}\frac{dx}{dt}+\dot{\frac{dx}{dt}}\dot{t}=-4\dot{t}\dot{x}\frac{d\kappa}{dt}\frac{dx}{dt}+\dot{\frac{dx}{dt}}\dot{t}.

where we have made use of (*), the second of the geodesic equations can be cast into the following form:

\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}+2\frac{d\kappa}{dt}e^{-4\kappa}\dot{t}^{-2}=0. (**)

Integrating the time-related geodesic equation yields

\dot{t}=ae^{-4\kappa}

where a is the integration constant. Introducing this into (**) gives

\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}=-\frac{2}{a^2}\frac{d\kappa}{dt}e^{4\kappa}

which is the ultimate form of the second geodesic equation. The other two remaining equations are, in a somewhat similar way, found to be

\frac{d^2y}{dt^2}=\frac{d^2z}{dt^2}=0.

You can see that if \kappa=0 then all geodesic equations belong to the Minkowski metric. But since \kappa is a function of the coordinate x, among the spatial geodesic equations only the equation corresponding to the x component of the coordinate 3-acceleration has been modified and the other two are just the same as those of the Minkowski spacetime.

What is the difference between conformally flat space-time and flat space-time physically?

Considering pseudo-Riemannian, these are spacetimes that under a special condition can be mapped into flat spacetimes with metric components being -1 or +1 even though their Riemann tensor before mapping is not necessarily zero. The condition is that the vanishing of the Weyl tensor must be guaranteed for the spacetime to be conformally flat. In such spacetimes, all angles are preserved if the whole of spacetime (if the spacetime is conformally flat not locally conformally flat) gets mapped by a conformal transformation. One of the most significant class of conformally flat spacetimes is the constant-curvature class i.e. spacetimes with a constant curvature.

AB
 
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