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The discussion centers around the BC/AD notation system, its philosophical implications, and its historical context. Participants express confusion regarding the ordering of years, the significance of the terms BC (Before Christ) and AD (Anno Domini), and the transition to alternative notations like BCE (Before Common Era) and CE (Common Era). The conversation also touches on the absence of a year zero and the implications for calculating time spans.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the BC/AD notation and its philosophical implications.
  • One participant notes that BC refers to "before Christ" and AD to "Anno Domini," while also mentioning the secular alternatives BCE and CE.
  • Another participant suggests using geological notation (BP) as an alternative to BC/AD.
  • There is a discussion about calculating years, with some participants asserting that 500 BC is 2509 years ago from 2010, while others question the calculation due to the absence of a year zero.
  • Some participants mention that astronomers may use a year zero, while historians do not, adding to the confusion regarding the calendar systems.
  • A historical reference is made to a movement in Europe that attempted to create a new system of dates, which some participants recall as a decimal system.
  • Questions arise about the specifics of how months and days are counted in the BC period, particularly regarding the New Year transition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the absence of a year zero in the BC/AD system, but there is no consensus on the implications of this absence for calculating time spans. Multiple competing views exist regarding the use of different calendar systems and the historical context of date notation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in understanding due to the complexity of calendar systems and the historical context of BC/AD notations. The discussion highlights unresolved questions about the specifics of date calculations and the implications of different systems.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring historical date systems, calendar calculations, and the philosophical implications of timekeeping in different cultures.

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Hi everyone,
i really don't understand the philosophy of BC/AD notations..
but i only know the order goes like this:
..., 3 BC, 2 BC, 1 BC, 1 AD, 2 AD, 3AD, ...
Now in which year we are now...
when we say 2010, will it mean 2010 AD??
Why historians always prefer to say in BC AD notations, which is really confusion for me??
this confusion i have from my childhood!
thanks
 
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Rajini said:
Hi everyone,
i really don't understand the philosophy of BC/AD notations..
but i only know the order goes like this:
..., 3 BC, 2 BC, 1 BC, 1 AD, 2 AD, 3AD, ...
Now in which year we are now...
when we say 2010, will it mean 2010 AD??
Why historians always prefer to say in BC AD notations, which is really confusion for me??
this confusion i have from my childhood!
thanks
It's based on the Gregorian calendar which is the most widely accepted in the western world. It is based on Jesus and BC stands for "before christ" and AD stands for "Anno Domini". to confuse things more, BC and AD have been replaced with the more secular BCE (before common era) and CE (Common Era).

Here is a more detailed explanation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini
 
Well you can also switch to the geologic notation: BP (Before Present) and 'present' being 1950 AD :-p
 
Ok,
Evo, that means 500 BC = before (2010+500) years.
and
10 AD= before (2010-10) years.
Is this correct..
I also prefer the BP notations..
 
Rajini said:
Ok,
Evo, that means 500 BC = before (2010+500) years.
and
10 AD= before (2010-10) years.
Is this correct..
That's correct. It's more or less an imaginary line in the calendar, just remember there is no zero year, it goes from 1 BC to 1 AD.
 
Evo said:
That's correct. It's more or less an imaginary line in the calendar, just remember there is no zero year, it goes from 1 BC to 1 AD.

and that why the new millineum didn't actually start until 2001--not 2000
 
Rajini said:
Ok,
Evo, that means 500 BC = before (2010+500) years.
and
10 AD= before (2010-10) years.
Is this correct..
I also prefer the BP notations..

If you're figuring out how many years, probably close enough.

But technically, it should be 500 BC is 2509 years ago

(2010+500-1) since there's no year zero
 
BobG said:
If you're figuring out how many years, probably close enough.

But technically, it should be 500 BC is 2509 years ago

(2010+500-1) since there's no year zero

wouldn't it be 2508?

since there was no +0 or -0?
 
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Bobg,
as evo said no '0'..so i understand it..
thanks to all
 
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Evo said:
That's correct. It's more or less an imaginary line in the calendar, just remember there is no zero year, it goes from 1 BC to 1 AD.

There is actually a zero year in one of the systems (there are two).
E.g. astronomers do at times use a year zero, whereas historians don't...

Just to make things extra confusing...
 
  • #11
f95toli said:
There is actually a zero year in one of the systems (there are two).
E.g. astronomers do at times use a year zero, whereas historians don't...

Just to make things extra confusing...
But not in the Gregorian calendar.
 
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Wasn't there a movement in Europe a long while ago that tried to create a whole new system of dates? Time, day, month, year.
 
  • #13
MotoH said:
Wasn't there a movement in Europe a long while ago that tried to create a whole new system of dates? Time, day, month, year.

yeah, some goofy decimal system, I think


here's something interesting to think about:

how many days apart are Jan 1 500 BC and Dec 31 501 BC; or Jan 1 500 BC and Dec 31 499 BC?


In other words, if the years go backward in the BC period, do the months and days also? What day does the New Year begin? Jan 1, or Dec 31?
 

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