Confused about definition of algebraic closure

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The discussion revolves around the definition of algebraic closure in the context of field extensions, specifically comparing the algebraic closure of a field within another field versus the algebraic closure of a field itself. Participants explore the implications of these definitions and their distinctions.

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  • One participant notes that the algebraic closure of a field F in a field extension E is defined as the subfield of E consisting of elements algebraic over F, which does not necessarily need to be algebraically closed.
  • Another participant agrees that the two concepts are different, emphasizing the importance of the suffix "in E" to distinguish between them.
  • A third participant describes a construction of an algebraically closed field E containing F, from which one can derive a unique up to isomorphism algebraic closure of F, suggesting that this construction is well-established in abstract algebra literature.

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Participants generally agree that the two definitions of algebraic closure are distinct, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications and nuances of these definitions.

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The discussion highlights potential confusion arising from the terminology used in defining algebraic closures, particularly the distinction between closures within a specific field extension versus the general concept of algebraic closure.

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Hello,

After a theorem stating that the product, sum, etc of two elements of a field extension that are algebraic over the original field are also algebraic, my course states the following result (translated into english):

\textrm{Let $F \subset E$ be fields. The elements of $E$ that are algebraic across F form a subfield of $E$ (and of course a field extension of $F$).}
\textrm{We call this subfield the algebraic closure of $F$ in $E$.}

but later in my course it defines "the algebraic closure of F" as a field extension of F that is
(i) algebraically closed (in the sense that every polynomial has a root)
(ii) algebraic across F

These seem to be different concepts, am I right? Because the former doesn't need to be algebraically closed (despite its name...), because for example "the algebraic closure of \mathbb Q in \mathbb R" still has no solution for X²+1=0, yet "the algebraic closure of \mathbb Q" (full stop) does.

So is the only difference seperating these two concepts the suffix/appendix "in E"?
 
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mr. vodka said:
So is the only difference seperating these two concepts the suffix/appendix "in E"?

Yes, that is correct. These are two quite different concepts with the same name. So you'll need to be quite careful!
 
If I'm not mistaken:
For every field F, we can construct a field E containing F such that E is algebraically closed. Taking the subset of E containing all elements algebraic over F will yield an algebraically closed field K containing F such that every algebraically closed field containing F will contain an algebraically closed subfield containing F isomorphic to K. In this sense such a construction is unique up to isomorphism, and informally it is this isomorphism class we refer to when we are talking about the algebraic closure of F. The important thing is that such a minimal algebraic closure exists, and any two of them are isomorphic.

The construction is not simple, but can be found in most books on abstract algebra I believe.
 
Thank you both!
 

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