Confused about time dilation and cosmic speed limit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of time dilation and the cosmic speed limit, particularly focusing on the reasons behind the speed of light being the ultimate speed limit and the implications of this limit on physical objects. Participants explore theoretical and philosophical questions related to these topics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the cosmic speed limit, likening it to restrictions in video games and questioning why the speed limit is the same as the speed of light.
  • Another participant argues that asking "why" the laws of physics are as they are is more philosophical than scientific, suggesting that such inquiries may not yield clear answers.
  • A participant references previous discussions and poses questions about the concept of an "invisible hand" that prevents objects from exceeding the speed limit and the idea that the universe may have "selected" this speed.
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of certain sources used by participants, with a suggestion to refer to textbooks and peer-reviewed papers for a better understanding of the physics involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the philosophical implications of the cosmic speed limit or the nature of time dilation. There are competing views on the appropriateness of certain sources and the framing of questions related to these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the limitations of popular science articles in conveying the complexities of physics, suggesting that foundational knowledge from textbooks is necessary for a deeper understanding.

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Time dilation sounds really weird, can i assume it has a logical explanation?
 
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I am still confused about the cosmic speed limit. It kinda reminds me of how in video games coders make restrictions on physical aspects as to not break the game. I heard that if an object with matter would go the speed of light, the universe would explode, and I feel like a computer would do the same. I know I'm not well versed in this, but it's all so eerily similar to a video game that I was hoping there was a more logical explanation to this too. Also, why is the speed limit the same as the speed of light? This also reminds me of a coder, the last thing necessary for human life is the fastest you can go, because there's no need to go any faster.

Sources: https://www.space.com/speed-of-light-properties-explained.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...eed-limit-and-it-isnt-the-speed-of-light/amp/

https://www.wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/mo...-light-because-we-have-not-tried-hard-enough/
 
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Sciencelad2798 said:
...why is the speed limit the same as the speed of light?

https://www.wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/mo...-light-because-we-have-not-tried-hard-enough/

Physics looks to discover the patterns, nuances and ramifications of the laws of nature. Trying to answer the "why" questions is not part of that. We have plenty of unanswered questions about the standard models, and those will keep us occupied for many years to come.

Asking "why" the laws (rules) of physics are as they are is ultimately a philosophical (or religious) exercise which will never have a clear, final answer. If you say God created the universe that way, then you might logically ask why God chose to do it that way and not some other way. Ultimately, it is pure speculation... without any facts or data to support one answer over another. I would not call it science.
 
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phinds said:
I read some of those posts and had two questions that weren't quite answered in it:

1. The OP mentions that the speed limit is kinda like an invisible hand that just stops things from traveling faster, and that the mass of an object keeps going higher and higher until it just stops. This was kinda my question too, but no one really adressed it there, was hoping you might have an explanation.

2. Someone mentioned its possible the universe "selected" this speed, and I was confused on what this meant

Edit: these two articles kinda confused me too, mostly the part about how the sun we see is 8 minutes behind and how if it "disappeared", we wouldn't know until 8 minutes later. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/physics-speed-light-stop-trapping-particles-inside-crystals-796385?amp=1

https://www.forbes.com/sites/starts...w-do-photons-experience-time/?sh=46a619df278d



 
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Sciencelad2798 said:
these two articles
Are not valid sources for learning the actual physics. You have two threads now in two different forums based on questions prompted by you not reading valid sources. Stop reading pop science articles and start learning physics from textbooks and peer-reviewed papers. For relativity, Taylor & Wheeler's Spacetime Physics is an excellent introduction.

Once you have read some actual textbooks or peer-reviewed papers, you are welcome to ask questions if you don't understand things from those sources.

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