Confusing Implicit Differentiation Problem

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around an implicit differentiation problem involving the equation x = (x^2 + y^2)^(1/2). Participants are exploring the differentiation process, attempting to derive the expression for y' and addressing discrepancies in their results.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their differentiation steps and arrives at y' = (x^2 + y^2) / (xy), questioning where they went wrong.
  • Another participant provides an alternative differentiation approach, leading to the expression y' = [(x^2 + y^2)^(1/2) - x] / y, suggesting this is the correct form.
  • A later reply suggests that the derivative might actually be 0, encouraging others to square both sides of the original equation to verify this claim.
  • One participant acknowledges that the numerator in their derived expression is zero, indicating a potential oversight in their calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct form of the derivative, with some supporting the alternative expression while others question the validity of their own results. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct interpretation of the derivative.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of missing assumptions in the differentiation process, and participants rely on their interpretations of the original equation, which may affect their conclusions.

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Hi,

I have

x =(x^2+y^2)^[1/2]

I differentiate

1= 1/2 (x^2+y^2)[-1/2] (2x+2yy')

So far so good. I try to multiply this out.

1= (2x)/2 (x^2+y^2)[-1/2] + (2yy'/2)(x^2+y^2)[-1/2]

I solve for y'

y'= 1/{(x (x^2+y^2)[-1/2]} / {y(x^2+y^2)[-1/2] }

1/x (x^2+y^2)[1/2] * 1/y (x^2+y^2)[1/2]

The square roots multiply out.

y'=(x^2+y^2)/xy

yet the correct response is

y'=[(x^2+y^2)^1/2 -x] / y

Am I missing something?

Thanks
 
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I can't follow what you did after attempting to solve for $y'$.

We are given:

$$x=\left(x^2+y^2 \right)^{\frac{1}{2}}$$

Implicitly differentiating, we obtain:

$$1=\frac{x+yy'}{\left(x^2+y^2 \right)^{\frac{1}{2}}}$$

or:

$$\left(x^2+y^2 \right)^{\frac{1}{2}}=x+yy'$$

Solve for $y'$:

$$y'=\frac{\left(x^2+y^2 \right)^{\frac{1}{2}}-x}{y}$$
 
tmt said:
Hi,

I have

x =(x^2+y^2)^[1/2]

I differentiate

1= 1/2 (x^2+y^2)[-1/2] (2x+2yy')

So far so good. I try to multiply this out.

1= (2x)/2 (x^2+y^2)[-1/2] + (2yy'/2)(x^2+y^2)[-1/2]

I solve for y'

y'= 1/{(x (x^2+y^2)[-1/2]} / {y(x^2+y^2)[-1/2] }

1/x (x^2+y^2)[1/2] * 1/y (x^2+y^2)[1/2]

The square roots multiply out.

y'=(x^2+y^2)/xy

yet the correct response is

y'=[(x^2+y^2)^1/2 -x] / y

Am I missing something?

Thanks

Surely the derivative is 0. Don't believe me, square both sides of your original equation and see what you're left with...
 
Prove It said:
Surely the derivative is 0. Don't believe me, square both sides of your original equation and see what you're left with...

Nice...I didn't catch that even though the numerator in the expression I derived is clearly zero via the original equation. (Smirk)
 

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