Confusion (5) from Weinberg's QFT.(invariance of S-matrix)

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The discussion revolves around the concept of Lorentz invariance of the S-matrix as presented in Weinberg's Quantum Field Theory. Participants explore the implications of this invariance in the context of scattering processes, particularly focusing on the application of unitary operators to in and out states in particle interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding Weinberg's assertion that the same unitary operator acts on both in and out states, using the example of electron-positron annihilation to illustrate their uncertainty.
  • Another participant proposes an alternative, algebraic definition of Lorentz invariance of scattering, emphasizing the role of the S-operator without involving states.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the unitary operator acts on multi-particle states, indicating that it operates on a product of different subspaces, with specific operators acting trivially on certain representations.
  • One participant recalls that Weinberg provides explicit examples of the unitary operator acting on states with a specific representation of the Lorentz group, although they do not have the book for reference.
  • A final participant expresses a lingering confusion about the topic, indicating a desire to revisit the discussion later.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views regarding the definition and implications of Lorentz invariance in the context of the S-matrix.

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Some limitations include the lack of concrete examples provided by Weinberg, which may contribute to the confusion expressed by participants. Additionally, the discussion highlights the dependence on specific representations of the Lorentz group, which may not be fully resolved.

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At the beginning of section 3.3, he says lorentz invariance of S-matrix means the same unitary operator acts on both in and out states. I feel a bit blur about this since he doesn't give any concrete example. Say the eletron-positron annihilation process, we have 1 electron, 1 positron, 0 photon as in state, and 0 electron, 0 positron, 2 photons as out state, we know lorentz group has different representations on electrons and photons, then how shall we have the same unitary operator of both in and out states in such process?
 
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I prefer a different definition of the Lorentz invariance of scattering. This definition is purely algebraical, does not involve states, and is applied directly to the S-operator:

[tex]U_0(\Lambda, a) S U_0^{-1}(\Lambda, a) = S[/tex]

where [itex]U_0[/itex] is the non-interacting representation of the Poincare group.

Eugene.
 
The in/out states are multi-particle states, so the unitary operator acting on them is actually an operator acting on a product of different (sub)spaces. For example, the unitary operator corresponding to a photon acts trivially (no change) on a subspace of an electron representation.
 
I don't have the book with me, but I think several times Weinberg gives explicit examples of [itex]U(\lambda,a)[/itex] acting on states with [itex]\sum_{\sigma'}D_{\sigma,\sigma'} \psi_\sigma[/itex] where the D matrix correspond to the specific representation of the Lorentz Group.
 
Thank you all, but somehow I still get a strange feeling somewhere which I can't express clearly. Perhaps I'll come back to this later.
 

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