Confusion about Christoffel Symbols

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the derivation and understanding of the Christoffel symbols of the second kind, specifically focusing on the equation presented in a textbook. Participants explore the mathematical relationships involving the metric tensor and basis vectors, addressing confusion regarding the application of differentiation rules in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the equation for the Christoffel symbol and seeks clarification on the differentiation of the metric tensor components.
  • Another participant explains how to compute the components of the metric tensor using the basis vectors, suggesting a similarity to the first fundamental form on surfaces.
  • A third participant assumes the basis vectors are the usual coordinate basis vectors for the tangent space.
  • Some participants question the equality of the differentiation expression involving the basis vectors and seek further understanding.
  • One participant identifies the differentiation rule as the Leibniz rule for dot products, likening it to the product rule in calculus.
  • Several participants acknowledge finding the rule after looking it up, indicating a resolution of their confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While some participants find clarity through the identification of the differentiation rule, there remains a degree of uncertainty regarding the initial understanding of the expressions involved. The discussion does not reach a consensus on all aspects of the derivation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the application of differentiation rules in the context of tensor calculus, specifically regarding the metric tensor and basis vectors. Participants express varying levels of familiarity with these concepts, indicating potential gaps in foundational understanding.

tensor33
Messages
52
Reaction score
0
In the book Mathematical Methods for Physics and Engineering by Riley, Hobson, and Bence, I came across an equation I just can't seem to understand. In the chapter on tensors, they derive the equation for a Christoffel symbol of the second kind, \Gamma^{m}_{ij}=\frac{1}{2}g^{mk}\left(\frac{ \partial g_{jk}}{\partial u^{i}}+\frac{\partial g_{ki}}{\partial u^{j}}-\frac{\partial g_{ij}}{\partial u^k}\right)
Where the g's are the components of the metric tensor. I understood most of the derivation except for the part where they wrote, \frac{ \partial g_{ij}}{\partial u^{k}}= \frac{\partial e_{i}}{\partial u^{k}} \cdot e_{j}+e_{i} \cdot \frac{\partial e_{j}}{\partial u^{k}}
Where the e's are the basis vectors. I just can't seem to understand how they got this equation.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
You can compute the components of the metric tensor with respect to the given basis for the tangent space at hand much like you would the first fundamental form on regular surfaces i.e. g_{ij} = <e_{i}, e_{j}> so we have that \partial _{k}g_{ij} = \partial _{k}(e_{i}\cdot e_{j}) = e_{i}\cdot \partial _{k}e_{j} + e_{j}\cdot \partial _{k}e_{i}.
 
By the way I assume the basis vectors you have written down are the usual coordinate basis vectors, in terms of a given local chart, for the tangent space at p -> e_{i} = \partial _{i}.
 
I get the part where g_{ij}=(e_{i}\cdot e_{j}) the part I don't get is \partial_{k}(e_{i}\cdot e_{j})=\partial_{k}e_{i}\cdot e_{j}+e_{i}\cdot \partial_{k}e_{j} I just don't understand how those two are equal.
 
tensor33 said:
I get the part where g_{ij}=(e_{i}\cdot e_{j}) the part I don't get is \partial_{k}(e_{i}\cdot e_{j})=\partial_{k}e_{i}\cdot e_{j}+e_{i}\cdot \partial_{k}e_{j} I just don't understand how those two are equal.
It's just the Leibniz rule for dot products, kind of like the usual product rule.
 
I knew there had to be some rule but I couldn't find it. I looked it up and now it makes sense. Thanks for the reply.
 
tensor33 said:
I knew there had to be some rule but I couldn't find it. I looked it up and now it makes sense. Thanks for the reply.
Yep! Good luck!
 
Thanks!
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
6K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
7K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
2K